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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
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	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
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	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
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	Greg Hackmann <ghackmann@google.com>,
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	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	x86 <x86@kernel.org>, linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/11] membarrier: Provide core serializing command (v2)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:20:52 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <579395772.11661.1517253652787.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180129190923.GP2249@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

----- On Jan 29, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 06:36:05PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Jan 29, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:
> 
>> > Aaah, its the case where we do not pass through switch_mm(), the partial
>> > comment got to me. I only realized after reading the next patch.
>> 
>> Indeed, if we read the entire comment, it's made clear that this case is for
>> when switch_mm is not invoked, where the current mm is changed without going
>> through switch_mm(), when scheduling between uthread->kthread->uthread for
>> instance.
>> 
>>         /*
>>          * When transitioning from a kernel thread to a userspace
>>          * thread, mmdrop()'s implicit full barrier is required by the
>>          * membarrier system call, because the current active_mm can
>>          * become the current mm without going through switch_mm().
>>          * membarrier also requires a core serializing instruction
>>          * before going back to user-space after storing to rq->curr.
>>          */
>> 
>> Is there something I should improve in the wording of this added
>> sentence to make it clearer ?
> 
> Can be improved I think, its got two unqualified "membarrier"s in and
> its a bit mixed up. I'm having a major case of the mondays (brain just
> won't start today), but maybe something like:
> 
>	When we switched through a kernel thread, the loop in
>	membarrier_{private,global}_expedited() can have observed that
>	kernel thread and not issued an IPI. We will also not pass
>	through switch_mm(). Membarrier requires a barrier after writing
>	rq->curr and returning to userspace, so provide them here:
> 
>	  - a full memory barrier for {PRIVATE,GLOBAL}_EXPEDITED
>	  - a sync_core for SYNC_CORE

Editing to remove use of "we" and clarify, which ends up as:

        /*
         * When switching through a kernel thread, the loop in
         * membarrier_{private,global}_expedited() may have observed that
         * kernel thread and not issued an IPI. It is therefore possible to
         * schedule between user->kernel->user threads without passing though
         * switch_mm(). Membarrier requires a barrier after storing to
         * rq->curr, before returning to userspace, so provide them here:
         *
         * - a full memory barrier for {PRIVATE,GLOBAL}_EXPEDITED, implicitly
         *   provided by mmdrop(),
         * - a sync_core for SYNC_CORE.
         */

> 
> Also I think changing the changlog to state where we need core-sync
> would be good. Currently the x86 patch does that, but not this one,
> while this introduces the feature.

Planning to add this:

Architectures selecting this feature need to either document that
they issue core serializing instructions when returning to user-space,
or implement their architecture-specific sync_core_before_usermode().

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-29 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-23 15:57 [PATCH for 4.16 00/11] membarrier updates for 4.16 Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 01/11] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited cmd (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 02/11] powerpc: membarrier: Skip memory barrier in switch_mm() (v7) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 03/11] membarrier: Document scheduler barrier requirements (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 04/11] membarrier: provide GLOBAL_EXPEDITED command (v3) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 05/11] membarrier: selftest: Test global expedited cmd (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 06/11] Introduce sync_core_before_usermode (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86: Implement sync_core_before_usermode (v3) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 08/11] membarrier: Provide core serializing command (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 18:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-29 18:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-29 18:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 19:09         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-29 19:20           ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 09/11] membarrier: x86: Provide core serializing command (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 10/11] membarrier: arm64: Provide core serializing command Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 11/11] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited sync core cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH for 4.16 00/11] membarrier updates for 4.16 Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-05 16:33   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-05 17:23     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-05 18:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-05 18:53       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-02-05 19:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-05 19:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-29 19:13 ` Peter Zijlstra

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