From: Bill Jordan <woodennickel@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Timur Tabi <timur.tabi@ammasso.com>,
hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
openib-general@openib.org
Subject: Re: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:26:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ebee0d105042907265ff58a73@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050426133752.37d74805.akpm@osdl.org>
On 4/26/05, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:
> Our point is that contemporary microprocessors cannot electrically do what
> you want them to do!
>
> Now, conceeeeeeiveably the kernel could keep track of the state of the
> pages down to the byte level, and could keep track of all COWed pages and
> could look at faulting addresses at the byte level and could copy sub-page
> ranges by hand from one process's address space into another process's
> after I/O completion. I don't think we want to do that.
>
> Methinks your specification is busted.
I agree in principal. However, I expect this issue will come up with
more and more new specifications, and if it isn't addressed once in
the linux kernel, it will be kludged and broken many times in many
drivers.
I believe we need an kernel level interface that will pin user pages,
and lock the user vma in a single step. The interface should be used
by drivers when the hardware mappings are done. If the process is
split into a user operation to lock the memory, and a driver operation
to map the hardware, there will always be opportunity for abuse.
Reference counting needs to be done by this interface to allow
different hardware to interoperate.
The interface can't overload the VM_LOCKED flag, or rely on any other
attributes that the user can tinker with via any other interface.
And as much as I hate to admit it, I think on a fork, we will need to
copy parts of pages at the beginning or end of user I/O buffers.
--
Bill Jordan
InfiniCon Systems
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-04-29 14:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-04 22:09 [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][1/4] IB: core changes for userspace verbs Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][2/4] IB: userspace verbs main module Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][4/4] IB: userspace verbs Kconfig/Makefile changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:49 ` [openib-general] [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Tom Duffy
2005-04-04 23:34 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-21 0:37 ` [PATCH][MTHCA] fix sparc build WAS: " Tom Duffy
2005-04-21 0:38 ` David S. Miller
2005-04-11 14:22 ` [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 15:34 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 16:33 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 16:56 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 18:01 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 18:03 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12 0:13 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-12 0:21 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12 18:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-04-13 18:28 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-13 19:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-13 1:04 ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 17:15 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 3:31 ` Libor Michalek
2005-05-04 18:27 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-05 18:48 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-06 23:08 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 13:18 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-07 14:45 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 16:30 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 20:12 ` William Jordan
2005-05-11 20:42 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 22:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:53 ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-11 23:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-05 23:34 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 16:22 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-18 16:45 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24 2:44 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-24 14:23 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24 20:53 ` Greg KH
2005-04-24 21:52 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 1:03 ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 4:12 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 13:30 ` Dave Hansen
2005-04-25 13:15 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 13:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-25 14:16 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 20:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:21 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:58 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 0:11 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 0:23 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 0:37 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 2:21 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 3:16 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 3:38 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 4:33 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 14:07 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 15:31 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 15:42 ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-26 15:49 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 19:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 20:14 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 20:18 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-29 14:26 ` Bill Jordan [this message]
2005-04-29 15:56 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-29 16:45 ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:23 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-29 18:22 ` RDMA memory registration Brice Goglin
2005-04-29 18:31 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 19:33 ` [openib-general] " Grant Grundler
2005-05-03 8:42 ` David Addison
2005-05-03 15:36 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-29 19:43 ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 19:45 ` RDMA memory registration Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:04 ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-30 0:31 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-03 18:43 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-05-03 19:04 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-04 18:22 ` William Jordan
2005-05-05 1:27 ` Rik van Riel
2005-05-05 1:57 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-26 20:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 21:23 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-27 2:13 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27 3:21 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-27 3:15 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 2:03 ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2005-04-26 2:16 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 2:26 ` [openib-general] " Stephen Langdon
2005-04-25 22:23 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:35 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:42 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:13 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:21 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:27 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 0:08 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:51 ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbsimplementation Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:13 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:29 ` Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:17 ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-25 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:37 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 0:10 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 3:55 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-26 0:02 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 6:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-26 13:45 ` [openib-general] " Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 15:24 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 19:11 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-18 16:09 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:12 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-18 16:50 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:47 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-18 16:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 16:25 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 19:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:00 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:19 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:07 ` [openib-general] " Bernhard Fischer
2005-04-21 2:17 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-21 3:07 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 17:38 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 18:39 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:56 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 20:07 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:12 ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:14 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:25 ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-22 6:14 ` Greg KH
2005-04-22 17:55 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-22 18:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-29 0:56 ` Andrew Morton
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2005-04-22 13:10 ` [openib-general] " Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
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