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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Cc: Marcin Letyns <mletyns@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: stable? quality assurance?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:57:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66102.1278946653@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:42:32 +0300." <AANLkTinipHGBXVkKXHmbCdUM8tYOTAXEDrvcO-99kL81@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:42:32 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan said:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Marcin Letyns <mletyns@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Last time I tried freebsd it wasn't stable. It had problems with my hard
> > drive controler.
> 
> This thread needs more anecdotal evidence.

To be fair, the continual re-appearance of this thread is *always* anecdotal.

It's always somebody who has trouble getting it to work on *their* hardware, or
with *their* software, and insisting that stuff doesn't get shipped unless it
works properly on everything.  Apparently, having it work on 99.997% of the
gear out there isn't good enough for them.  Then there's the inevitable call
for "no shipping with blocker bugs" - never with a good objective definition of
what constitutes a "blocker" bug.

Ted had it right - you insist on fixing *everything*, you end up with
Debian Obsolete.  It's the nature of the beast - you *will* detect regressions
at something resembling an exponential-decay curve. The only question that remains is
how close to zero it has to decay before the ship date - and there's no single
answer for that which fits everybody.  One point to note is that if you ship
earlier, the decay rate increases because of wider deployment.  As a result,
it's quite probable that you get to some objective level of "stable" faster
by releasing early and then releasing a half-dozen dot releases, instead of
waiting for the 3 or 4 dozen people testing it before release to shake out all
the bugs (which obviously won't happen due to things like access to hardware).

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-12 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-11  7:18 stable? quality assurance? Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11  8:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-11 14:22   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 14:52     ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 15:58   ` William Pitcock
2010-07-11 16:34     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-16  6:59     ` Greg KH
2010-08-05  3:27       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-07-11 17:04   ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-11 13:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-11 18:02   ` Anca Emanuel
2010-07-12  6:46   ` David Newall
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTilGjfx9sb66qVfZn1SeFPURHUrrdE7JCrild8VX@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:35       ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 12:42         ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTik64lxDiCN-eRo3i_-cTqAvCzbaRI4EEXoD44Vj@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:52             ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 14:57           ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2010-07-12 15:56       ` David Newall
2010-07-12 17:48         ` Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 18:00         ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:58           ` David Newall
2010-07-12 21:11             ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 21:39             ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 22:44               ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-15  7:23             ` david
2010-07-13 16:50         ` Theodore Tso
2010-07-13 20:45           ` David Newall
2010-07-14  6:33             ` Theodore Tso
2010-09-04 17:12   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 13:56 ` Lee Mathers
2010-07-11 14:51   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 17:22     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-11 21:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-07-12  4:17         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12  9:56       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 15:43       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 17:36         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12 19:56           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 23:03             ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 10:30               ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-15  7:32               ` david
2010-07-12 17:55         ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 16:38       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 18:46         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-04 19:11           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 23:23             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05  7:59               ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 19:24         ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 19:34           ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 20:21           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 22:50             ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 23:16             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05  8:35         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-05  9:48           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 19:49     ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 11:11     ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 12:50       ` rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was Re: stable? quality assurance?) Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 15:35         ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 18:19           ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:38             ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 19:07               ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:06         ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 19:18           ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:46 ` stable? quality assurance? Nix
     [not found] ` <AANLkTimEdVsmIgXBbmhsq75ElQvGAI8avsM8-wlDpm4z@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-15  9:09   ` Valeo de Vries
2010-07-16  7:00     ` Greg KH
2010-07-16  7:19       ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-07-16 15:25       ` Randy Dunlap
2010-07-16 15:34       ` Valeo de Vries
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-04 16:42 Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 17:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-09-04 19:33   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 20:19     ` Willy Tarreau

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