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From: "Theo de Raadt" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	jannh@google.com, sroettger@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, usama.anjum@collabora.com,
	rdunlap@infradead.org, jeffxu@google.com, jorgelo@chromium.org,
	groeck@chromium.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	pedro.falcato@gmail.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:05:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66496.1706893543@cvs.openbsd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjqozic6JuRimXD=RamnJmD6FoaQki7RtNYrezzx_OfOg@mail.gmail.com>

Another interaction to consider is sigaltstack().

In OpenBSD, sigaltstack() forces MAP_STACK onto the specified
(pre-allocated) region, because on kernel-entry we require the "sp"
register to point to a MAP_STACK region (this severely damages ROP pivot
methods).  Linux does not have MAP_STACK enforcement (yet), but one day
someone may try to do that work.

This interacted poorly with mimmutable() because some applications
allocate the memory being provided poorly.  I won't get into the details
unless pushed, because what we found makes me upset.  Over the years,
we've upstreamed diffs to applications to resolve all the nasty
allocation patterns.  I think the software ecosystem is now mostly
clean.

I suggest someone in Linux look into whether sigaltstack() is a mseal()
bypass, perhaps somewhat similar to madvise MADV_FREE, and consider the
correct strategy.

This is our documented strategy:

     On OpenBSD some additional restrictions prevent dangerous address space
     modifications.  The proposed space at ss_sp is verified to be
     contiguously mapped for read-write permissions (no execute) and incapable
     of syscall entry (see msyscall(2)).  If those conditions are met, a page-
     aligned inner region will be freshly mapped (all zero) with MAP_STACK
     (see mmap(2)), destroying the pre-existing data in the region.  Once the
     sigaltstack is disabled, the MAP_STACK attribute remains on the memory,
     so it is best to deallocate the memory via a method that results in
     munmap(2).

OK, I better provide the details of what people were doing.
sigaltstacks() in .data, in .bss, using malloc(), on a buffer on the
stack, we even found one creating a sigaltstack inside a buffer on a
pthread stack.  We told everyone to use mmap() and munmap(), with MAP_STACK
if #ifdef MAP_STACK finds a definition.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-02 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-31 17:50 [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal jeffxu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] mseal: Wire up mseal syscall jeffxu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] mseal: add " jeffxu
2024-02-01 23:11   ` Eric Biggers
2024-02-02  3:30     ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02  3:54       ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02  4:03         ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02  4:10           ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02  4:22             ` Jeff Xu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] selftest mm/mseal memory sealing jeffxu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] mseal:add documentation jeffxu
2024-01-31 19:34 ` [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-01  1:27   ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-01  1:46     ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-01 16:56       ` Bird, Tim
2024-02-01  1:55     ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-01 20:45     ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-01 22:24       ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02  1:06         ` Greg KH
2024-02-02  3:24           ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02  3:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-02  3:46               ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 15:18             ` Greg KH
2024-02-01 22:37       ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-01 22:54         ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-01 23:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-01 23:43             ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02  0:26             ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02  3:20             ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02  4:05               ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02  4:54                 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02  5:00                   ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 17:58                     ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 18:51                       ` Pedro Falcato
2024-02-02 21:20                         ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-04 19:39                         ` David Laight
2024-02-02 17:05             ` Theo de Raadt [this message]
2024-02-02 21:02               ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02  3:14       ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 15:13         ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-02 17:24           ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 19:21             ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-02 19:32               ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 20:36                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-02 20:57                   ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 21:18                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-02 23:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-03  4:45                       ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-05 22:13                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-02 20:14               ` Jeff Xu

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