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From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	<workflows@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	<corbet@lwn.net>, <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:57:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <68879de1aaf4_e74a1008c@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202507251356.4396F1F@keescook>

Kees Cook wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 03:00:46PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > Also, I would argue that it would be useful in the change log as if there's
> > a bug in the generated code, you know who or *what* to blame. Especially if
> > there is a pattern to be found.
> 
> Yeah, this is where I feel like it's the most potentially useful. Since
> they are distinctly code-generators, we should include the info to
> identify it. We include version numbers and such the compilers and
> linkers, though they are only informally included in commit logs when
> dealing with specific problems.
> 
> Having had to do "find all commits from [set of authors]" research for
> security audits, I would be very unhappy if I had to do this again in
> the future for a specific Agent (used any author), and had to loop lore
> into the process. Yes, it's *doable*, but it'd be very annoying.

Oh, yes, that gives me pause. However, so too does the idea that AI
contributions, beyond mere mechanical code complete of trusted human
developers, would become more prevalent. *If* it gets to that point, I
agree that this forensic ability is necessary. Now, if it gets to that
point it also assumes that the "AI contribution review decimating human
reviewer bandwidth" problem has a mitigation.

So "doable, but very annoying" strikes me as a problem space where an AI
agent could help. It is not clear to me that a concise commit trailer
captures everything needed to help both the review and after the fact
forensics problem, especially when model fine tuning and prompting are
in play.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-28 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-25 17:53 [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 17:53 ` [RFC 1/2] AI: Add unified AI coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 18:19   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-25 22:11     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 18:27   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-07-25 22:15     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-27  2:24       ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 16:56         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-25 20:40   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-25 22:25     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 17:53 ` [RFC 2/2] AI: Add initial set of rules and docs Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 20:53   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-25 22:10     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 17:00     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-25 18:41 ` [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-25 19:00   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-25 19:59     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-25 20:32       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-25 20:34       ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-25 22:28         ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 17:46         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 18:20           ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-28 22:12           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-29  0:18             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-25 21:03     ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 15:57       ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2025-07-28 16:41         ` Kees Cook
2025-07-26  9:07 ` Mario Limonciello
2025-07-26 11:53   ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-26 16:36   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 16:49 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-07-27  9:37 Sabyrzhan Tasbolatov
2025-07-27 15:23 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 15:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-28  6:40     ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 16:43       ` Sabyrzhan Tasbolatov

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