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From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	<workflows@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <kees@kernel.org>,
	<konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>, <corbet@lwn.net>,
	<josh@joshtriplett.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:20:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6887bf6b6de3f_1196810021@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250728134653.635a9dc5@batman.local.home>

Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:34:32 -0700
> <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > > This touches on explainability of AI. Perhaps the metadata would be
> > > interesting for XAI research... not sure that's enough to be lugging
> > > those tags in git history.  
> > 
> > Agree. The "who to blame" is "Author:". They signed DCO they are
> > responsible for debugging what went wrong in any stage of the
> > development of a patch per usual. We have a long history of debugging
> > tool problems without tracking tool versions in git history.
> 
> My point of the "who to blame" was not about the author of said code,
> but if two or more developers are using the same AI agent and then some
> patter of bugs appears that is only with that AI agent, then we know
> that the AI agent is likely the culprit and to look for code by other
> developers that used that same AI agent.
> 
> It's a way to track down a bug in a tool that is creating code, not
> about moving blame from a developer to the agent itself.

Between fine tuning, the process of doing local training to emphasize /
de-emphasize some weights in the model, and prompt variability, the
signal from a patch trailer is diluted.

If maintainers care about commit text conciseness for humans and
traceability for AI, those competing concerns will conflict above the
"---" line in patches.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-28 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-25 17:53 [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 17:53 ` [RFC 1/2] AI: Add unified AI coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 18:19   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-25 22:11     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 18:27   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-07-25 22:15     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-27  2:24       ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 16:56         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-25 20:40   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-25 22:25     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 17:53 ` [RFC 2/2] AI: Add initial set of rules and docs Sasha Levin
2025-07-25 20:53   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-25 22:10     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 17:00     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-25 18:41 ` [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-25 19:00   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-25 19:59     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-25 20:32       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-25 20:34       ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-25 22:28         ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 17:46         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 18:20           ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2025-07-28 22:12           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-29  0:18             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-25 21:03     ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 15:57       ` dan.j.williams
2025-07-28 16:41         ` Kees Cook
2025-07-26  9:07 ` Mario Limonciello
2025-07-26 11:53   ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-26 16:36   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 16:49 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-07-27  9:37 Sabyrzhan Tasbolatov
2025-07-27 15:23 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 15:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-28  6:40     ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 16:43       ` Sabyrzhan Tasbolatov

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