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From: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
To: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Cc: rui.zhang@intel.com, amit.kucheria@verdurent.com,
	amit.kachhap@gmail.com, daniel.lezcano@linaro.org,
	viresh.kumar@linaro.org, len.brown@intel.com, pavel@ucw.cz,
	Pierre.Gondois@arm.com, ionela.voinescu@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, mhiramat@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	rafael@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 15/17] Documentation: EM: Add a runtime modifiable EM design description
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 17:13:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <69fc620d-e480-b5ff-731c-d902d2c18ee0@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <77033400-94ba-85c4-77b6-f29a90843fce@arm.com>



On 5/30/23 11:42, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 12/05/2023 11:57, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>> Document the new runtime modifiable EM design and how it can be used.
>> Change the last section layout and allow to provide another example
>> how to use this new API in a driver code.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
>> ---
>>   Documentation/power/energy-model.rst | 20 ++++++++++++++++++++
>>   1 file changed, 20 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/power/energy-model.rst b/Documentation/power/energy-model.rst
>> index e97c7f18d8bd..64c2462dc9a6 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/power/energy-model.rst
>> +++ b/Documentation/power/energy-model.rst
>> @@ -89,6 +89,26 @@ due to the workload instruction mix and data set is not modeled.
>>   Also static power which can change during runtime due to variation of SOC
>>   temperature is not modeled in EM.
>>   
>> +2.2 Runtime modifiable EM
>> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> +
>> +To better reflect power variation due to static power (leakage) the EM
>> +supports runtime modifications of the power values. The mechanism relies on
>> +RCU to free the modifiable EM perf_state table memory. Its user, the task
>> +scheduler, also uses RCU to access this memory. The EM framework is
>> +responsible for allocating the new memory for the modifiable EM perf_state
>> +table. The old memory is freed automatically using RCU callback mechanism.
>> +This design decision is made based on task scheduler using that data and
>> +to prevent wrong usage of kernel modules if they would be responsible for the
>> +memory management.
>> +The drivers which want to modify the EM values are protected from concurrent
>> +access using a mutex. Therefore, the drivers must use sleeping context when
>> +they want to modify the EM. The runtime modifiable EM might also be used for
>> +better reflecting real workload scenarios, e.g. when they pop-up on the screen
>> +and will run for longer period, such as: games, video recoding or playing,
>> +video calls, etc. It is up to the platform engineers to experiment and choose
>> +the right approach for their device.
> 
> IMHO, there are a lot of design aspects missing here.
> 
> E.g.
> 
> Why 2 tables, modifiable (a) and default (b)?
> 
> Why does only EAS use (a)?
> 
> (a) and (b) being the same performance state table until first call to
> modify (a) ()
> 

I'll add that explanation in the v3. I wanted to avoid such detailed
description about e.g. 'being the same performance state table until 
first call to > modify (a)' since it's a memory optimization
bit. Although, I will add that reason to the doc as well.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-03 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-12  9:57 [PATCH v2 00/17] Introduce runtime modifiable Energy Model Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] PM: EM: Refactor em_cpufreq_update_efficiencies() arguments Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] PM: EM: Find first CPU online while updating OPP efficiency Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] PM: EM: Refactor em_pd_get_efficient_state() to be more flexible Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 11:06   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 16:22     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] PM: EM: Create a new function em_compute_costs() Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30  9:51   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 15:09     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] trace: energy_model: Add trace event for EM runtime modifications Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 10:03   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 15:53     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] PM: EM: Add update_power() callback for " Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30  9:31   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 15:06     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] PM: EM: Check if the get_cost() callback is present in em_compute_costs() Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] PM: EM: Introduce runtime modifiable table Lukasz Luba
2023-05-14  4:28   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-30 10:18   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 15:58     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] PM: EM: Add RCU mechanism which safely cleans the old data Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 10:02   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 15:49     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] PM: EM: Add runtime update interface to modify EM power Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] PM: EM: Use runtime modified EM for CPUs energy estimation in EAS Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] PM: EM: Add argument to get_cost() for runtime modification Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30  9:53   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 15:30     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] PM: EM: Refactor struct em_perf_domain and add default_table Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 10:23   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 16:00     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] Documentation: EM: Add a new section about the design Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 10:33   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 16:09     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] Documentation: EM: Add a runtime modifiable EM design description Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 10:42   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 16:13     ` Lukasz Luba [this message]
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] Documentation: EM: Add example with driver modifying the EM Lukasz Luba
2023-05-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] Documentation: EM: Describe the API of runtime modifications Lukasz Luba
2023-05-24 17:25 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] Introduce runtime modifiable Energy Model Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-07-03 11:08   ` Lukasz Luba
2023-05-30 11:07 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-07-03 16:35   ` Lukasz Luba

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