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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
To: "Zhao, Yan Y" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 15:52:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6afbee726c4d8d95c0d093874fb37e6ce7fd752a.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFDHF51AjgtbG8Lz@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>

On Tue, 2025-06-17 at 09:38 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > We talked about doing something like having tdx_hold_page_on_error() in
> > guestmemfd with a proper name. The separation of concerns will be better if
> > we
> > can just tell guestmemfd, the page has an issue. Then guestmemfd can decide
> > how
> > to handle it (refcount or whatever).
> Instead of using tdx_hold_page_on_error(), the advantage of informing
> guest_memfd that TDX is holding a page at 4KB granularity is that, even if
> there
> is a bug in KVM (such as forgetting to notify TDX to remove a mapping in
> handle_removed_pt()), guest_memfd would be aware that the page remains mapped
> in
> the TDX module. This allows guest_memfd to determine how to handle the
> problematic page (whether through refcount adjustments or other methods)
> before
> truncating it.

I don't think a potential bug in KVM is a good enough reason. If we are
concerned can we think about a warning instead?

We had talked enhancing kasan to know when a page is mapped into S-EPT in the
past. So rather than design around potential bugs we could focus on having a
simpler implementation with the infrastructure to catch and fix the bugs.

> 
> > > 
> > > This would allow guest_memfd to maintain an internal reference count for
> > > each
> > > private GFN. TDX would call guest_memfd_add_page_ref_count() for mapping
> > > and
> > > guest_memfd_dec_page_ref_count() after a successful unmapping. Before
> > > truncating
> > > a private page from the filemap, guest_memfd could increase the real folio
> > > reference count based on its internal reference count for the private GFN.
> > 
> > What does this get us exactly? This is the argument to have less error prone
> > code that can survive forgetting to refcount on error? I don't see that it
> > is an
> > especially special case.
> Yes, for a less error prone code.
> 
> If this approach is considered too complex for an initial implementation,
> using
> tdx_hold_page_on_error() is also a viable option.

I'm saying I don't think it's not a good enough reason. Why is it different then
other use-after free bugs? I feel like I'm missing something.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-17 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 294+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-24  3:00 [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] KVM: gmem: Allocate 2M huge page from guest_memfd backend Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:48   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:41     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  6:51   ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  7:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:52   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  9:05     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:10       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-19  9:26       ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-23  9:32         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15  2:16   ` Chao Gao
2025-05-16  9:07     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08  8:48   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 13:55     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:29       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:32         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 22:06           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 23:16             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 23:31               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09  2:23       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-09 14:08         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  7:12   ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  7:17     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25  7:25       ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25  9:24         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15  8:26     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:28       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:23         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 21:15         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] KVM: TDX: Enforce 4KB mapping level during TD build Time Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:55   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:12   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15  9:16     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:32       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 10:05         ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] KVM: TDX: Enhance tdx_clear_page() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:17   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:02     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] KVM: TDX: Assert the reclaimed pages were mapped as expected Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  2:11     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:34       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] KVM: TDX: Add a helper for WBINVD on huge pages with TD's keyID Yan Zhao
2025-05-06  8:37   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-16  3:10     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:29   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  3:03     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:35       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-29  0:17   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-29  0:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 13:46       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06  0:53         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06  5:08           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06  6:04             ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 13:18               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-07  7:37                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-07 14:56                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-08  1:30                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-08 14:10                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09  3:20                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 14:20                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 23:45                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-10  0:41                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-12 21:59                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12  2:15                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 16:53                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15  3:01                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-04 20:02                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05  2:42                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 21:12                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 10:43                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 23:27                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-11 14:30                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-16  9:59                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  0:12                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  1:38                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 15:52                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2025-06-18  0:19                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  0:41                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-23  9:27                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-23 18:20                                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
     [not found]                                                       ` <draft-diqzh606mcz0.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com>
2025-06-23 22:48                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 10:18                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 21:29                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:22                                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:00                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 22:14                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24 23:30                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25  0:01                                                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25  7:29                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 23:09                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25 23:19                                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26 15:16                                                                     ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-26 22:19                                                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-27 17:59                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 11:13                                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 17:55                                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-30 19:25                                                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:45                                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  5:01                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  5:22                                                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  6:03                                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  7:13                                                                                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:15                                                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 22:09                                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 11:24                                                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 18:43                                                                                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-03  4:54                                                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-14 19:32                                                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 16:13                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 21:48                                                                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 21:57                                                                                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:37                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 20:57                                                                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:51                                                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 21:19                                                                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-11  1:46                                                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-11  5:12                                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-11 16:14                                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-14 19:49                                                                                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-15 15:08                                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-15 22:31                                                                                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02  9:08                                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:28                                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  5:07                                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 22:01                                                                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 22:26                                                                                     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 21:47                                                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  9:35                                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 13:32                                                                                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 14:02                                                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 15:42                                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 16:14                                                                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  8:54                                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:12                                                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25  7:08                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 22:54                                                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-24 22:03                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  0:25                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  2:00                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  3:51                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17  6:52                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17  8:09                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17  9:57                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:25                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  0:34                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  0:46                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:33                                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:13                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  6:21                                                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:32                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  6:44                                                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-18  6:57                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  4:29                                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-19  0:22                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05  2:47                                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 22:35                                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19  8:11                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 18:06                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-16  1:23                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-16 20:57                                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18  5:49                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22  5:33                                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22  6:37                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-22 17:55                                                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 19:00                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-12 21:44                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Enable 2MB mapping size after TD is RUNNABLE Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  1:35     ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16  9:43       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:35         ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-16 23:47           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  8:32           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 16:53             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20  9:34               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:47                 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11 14:42                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-12 23:39                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13  0:25                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  0:44                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13  0:47                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13  1:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 21:53                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-13 22:19                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13 23:33                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-16  3:14                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 22:49                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17  0:52                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-18  0:30                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-20 16:31                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-23 21:44                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-24  9:57                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-24 18:35                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25  9:28                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25  9:36                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 14:48                                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26  0:50                                                             ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 14:47                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26  8:53                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01  0:42                                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01  2:41                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 15:36                                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  0:12                                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02  0:18                                                                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  1:07                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:26                                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02  3:31                                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 13:47                                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25 15:51                                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18  1:22                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 11:32                                               ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-20 16:32                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 17:44                                                   ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-20 18:40                                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 19:26                                                       ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-13  2:41                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-13  3:29                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13  5:35                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13  6:08                           ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-21 15:40                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-22  3:52                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-23 23:40                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-27  1:31                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:34             ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-21  2:35               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16  9:28     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  4:01     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:50       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  3:57         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 17:42           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] KVM: x86: Add "vcpu" "gfn" parameters to x86 hook private_max_mapping_level Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] KVM: TDX: Determine max mapping level according to vCPU's ACCEPT level Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  6:12     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-16  6:30     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:02       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  6:39         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:17           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Invoke split_external_spt hook with exclusive mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:06   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  9:17     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:11       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  4:01         ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:21           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20  5:40   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20  9:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] KVM: TDX: Support huge page splitting with exclusive kvm->mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-20  6:18   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20  9:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:47   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_boundary_leafs() to split boundary leafs Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:56   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  7:46     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16  8:03       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:27         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19  8:12           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 11:44       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:16         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] KVM: x86: Split huge boundary leafs before private to shared conversion Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 23:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12  2:25     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 21:53       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] KVM: gmem: Split huge boundary leafs for punch hole of private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:19   ` Francesco Lavra
2025-04-25  1:55     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:59   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  8:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] KVM: x86: Force a prefetch fault's max mapping level to 4KB for TDX Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  8:43     ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-21  3:30   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-21  5:03     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] KVM: x86: Ignore splitting huge pages in fault path " Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:58   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  6:40     ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  8:33   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  9:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24  9:08       ` Juergen Gross
2025-04-24  9:49       ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:39         ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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