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From: "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org, len.brown@intel.com,
	ak@linux.intel.com, tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] cpuidle: add a new predict interface
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:04:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <70eb3c82-a486-e1dd-05ce-d968b857e86b@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2353480.vFnqZDvmsB@aspire.rjw.lan>

On 2017/10/14 8:45, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:20:29 AM CEST Aubrey Li wrote:
>> For the governor has predict functionality, add a new predict
>> interface in cpuidle framework to call and use it.
> 
> Care to describe how it is intended to work?
> 
> Also this patch uses data structures introduced in the previous one
> (and the previous one didn't use them), so maybe merge the two?

okay, will refine in the next version.

> 
>> ---
>>  drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c        | 34 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c |  7 +++++++
>>  include/linux/cpuidle.h          |  3 +++
>>  kernel/sched/idle.c              |  1 +
>>  4 files changed, 45 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c b/drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c
>> index 4066308..ef6f7dd 100644
>> --- a/drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c
>> +++ b/drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c
>> @@ -336,6 +336,40 @@ void cpuidle_entry_end(void)
>>  }
>>  
>>  /**
>> + * cpuidle_predict - predict whether the coming idle is a fast idle or not
>> + */
>> +void cpuidle_predict(void)
>> +{
>> +	struct cpuidle_device *dev = cpuidle_get_device();
>> +	unsigned int overhead_threshold;
>> +
>> +	if (!dev)
>> +		return;
>> +
>> +	overhead_threshold = dev->idle_stat.overhead;
>> +
>> +	if (cpuidle_curr_governor->predict) {
>> +		dev->idle_stat.predicted_us = cpuidle_curr_governor->predict();
>> +		/*
>> +		 * notify idle governor to avoid reduplicative
>> +		 * prediction computation
>> +		 */
> 
> This comment is hard to understand.
> 
> What does it mean, really?
> 

predict() does a lot of computation. If it's called in cpuidle_predict(),
we don't want it to be called in menu governor again. So here I use a flag to
tell menu governor if predict computation is already done for the coming idle
this time.

>> +		dev->idle_stat.predicted = true;
>> +		if (dev->idle_stat.predicted_us < overhead_threshold) {
>> +			/*
>> +			 * notify tick subsystem to keep ticking
>> +			 * for the coming idle
>> +			 */
>> +			dev->idle_stat.fast_idle = true;
>> +		} else
>> +			dev->idle_stat.fast_idle = false;
> 
> What about
> 
> 		dev->idle_stat.fast_idle = dev->idle_stat.predicted_us < overhead_threshold;

Ack

> 
> Also why don't you use dev->idle_stat.overhead directly here?

Yeah, I should merge a few patches, because dev->idle_stat.overhead is referenced many times,
for irq timings, for scheduler idle statistics and for idle governor.

> 
> And what is the basic idea here?  Why do we compare the predicted
> idle duration with the entry/exit overhead from the previous cycle
> (if I understood this correctly, that is)?

entry/exit overhead is an average here, and the variance should not be big.

> 
>> +	} else {
>> +		dev->idle_stat.predicted = false;
>> +		dev->idle_stat.fast_idle = false;
>> +	}
>> +}
>> +
>> +/**
>>   * cpuidle_install_idle_handler - installs the cpuidle idle loop handler
>>   */
>>  void cpuidle_install_idle_handler(void)
>> diff --git a/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c b/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c
>> index 6bed197..90b2a10 100644
>> --- a/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c
>> +++ b/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c
>> @@ -344,6 +344,12 @@ static int menu_select(struct cpuidle_driver *drv, struct cpuidle_device *dev)
>>  	if (unlikely(latency_req == 0))
>>  		return 0;
>>  
>> +	/*don't predict again if idle framework already did it */
>> +	if (!dev->idle_stat.predicted)
>> +		menu_predict();
>> +	else
>> +		dev->idle_stat.predicted = false;
> 
> We provide the callback which is going to be used by the core if present,
> so why would the core not use it after all?

There is a case that in the loop

while (!need_resched()) {
	cpuidle_idle_call()
}

The CPU receives a timer interrupt and wake up and find nothing to be scheduled
and back to call menu then mwait to sleep again.

Under this case, cpuidle_predict() is not reached but the idle data for the 
prediction needs to be updated.

Thanks,
-Aubrey

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-16  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-30  7:20 [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Introduct cpu idle prediction functionality Aubrey Li
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] cpuidle: menu: extract " Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  0:26   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  2:46     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] cpuidle: record the overhead of idle entry Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  0:35   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  3:11     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-10-17  0:05       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  7:04         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] cpuidle: add a new predict interface Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  0:45   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  8:04     ` Li, Aubrey [this message]
2017-10-14  1:27   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  9:52     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] tick/nohz: keep tick on for a fast idle Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  0:51   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  3:26     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-10-16  4:45       ` Mike Galbraith
2017-10-16  5:34         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-10-16  6:25           ` Mike Galbraith
2017-10-16  6:31             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] timers: keep sleep length updated as needed Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  0:56   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  6:46     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-10-16 23:58       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  6:10         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] cpuidle: make fast idle threshold tunable Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  0:59   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  6:00     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-10-17  0:01       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  6:12         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] cpuidle: introduce irq timing to make idle prediction Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  1:01   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  6:03     ` Li, Aubrey
2017-09-30  7:20 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] cpuidle: introduce run queue average idle " Aubrey Li
2017-10-14  1:02   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-14  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Introduct cpu idle prediction functionality Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-16  7:44   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-10-17  0:07     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-10-17  7:32       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-11-30  1:00 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-11-30  1:37   ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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