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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:01:11 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <739755311.21380.1511478071883.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1711232346030.2364@nanos>

----- On Nov 23, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Thomas Gleixner tglx@linutronix.de wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Will Deacon will.deacon@arm.com wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 08:32:19PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So what exactly is the problem of leaving out the whole cpu_opv thing
>> >> for now? Pure rseq is usable -- albeit a bit cumbersome without
>> >> additional debugger support.
>> > 
>> > Drive-by "ack" to that. I'd really like a working rseq implementation in
>> > mainline, but I don't much care for another interpreter.
>> 
>> Considering the arm 64 use-case of reading PMU counters from user-space
>> using rseq to prevent migration, I understand that you're lucky enough to
>> already have a system call at your disposal that can perform the slow-path
>> in case of single-stepping.
>> 
>> So yes, your particular case is already covered, but unfortunately that's
>> not the same situation for other use-cases that have been expressed.
> 
> If we have users of rseq which can do without the other muck, then what's
> the reason not to support it?
> 
> The sysops thing can be sorted out on top and the use cases which need both
> will have to test for both syscalls being available anyway.

I'm currently making sure CONFIG_RSEQ selects both CONFIG_CPU_OPV and
CONFIG_MEMBARRIER, so the user-space fast-paths don't end up with
various ways of doing the fallback/single-stepping/memory barrier handling
depending on whether the kernel support each of those individually.
So first of all, it reduces complexity from a user-space perspective.

Moreover, with a single already needed cpu_id vs cpu_id_start field comparison
in the rseq fast-path, user-space knows that it can rely on having rseq,
cpu_opv, and membarrier. Without this guarantee, user-space would have to
detect individually whether each of those system calls is available, and
test flags on the fast-path, for additional overhead.

Those are my main concerns about pushing an incomplete solution at this
stage.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-23 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-21 14:18 [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 01/22] uapi headers: Provide types_32_64.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 02/22] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 03/22] arm: Add restartable sequences support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 04/22] arm: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 05/22] x86: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 06/22] x86: Wire up restartable sequence system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 07/22] powerpc: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 08/22] powerpc: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 09/22] sched: Implement push_task_to_cpu Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v4 10/22] cpu_opv: Provide cpu_opv system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 11/22] x86: Wire up " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 12/22] powerpc: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 13/22] arm: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v3 14/22] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 15:17   ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 16:46     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v3 15/22] rseq: selftests: Provide self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 15:34   ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 17:05     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:40       ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 21:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:24           ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 21:44             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 19:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 21:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 21:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 22:53     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23  8:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23  8:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-24 14:15       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 13:55     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 16/22] rseq: selftests: arm: workaround gcc asm size guess Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 15:39   ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 17/22] Fix: membarrier: add missing preempt off around smp_call_function_many Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 18/22] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v7 19/22] powerpc: membarrier: Skip memory barrier in switch_mm() Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v5 20/22] membarrier: Document scheduler barrier requirements Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v2 21/22] membarrier: provide SHARED_EXPEDITED command Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 22/22] membarrier: selftest: Test shared expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:21 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Andi Kleen
2017-11-21 22:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:59     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 12:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:25         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 15:28     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-22 16:43       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 18:10         ` Andi Kleen
2017-11-22 19:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:37       ` Will Deacon
2017-11-23 21:15         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 22:51           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 23:01             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2017-11-23 23:38               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-24  0:04                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 14:47                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 21:13       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:49         ` Andi Kleen
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 1/3] selftests: lib.mk: Introduce OVERRIDE_TARGETS Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:22   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:16   ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 2/3] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:20   ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 3/3] rseq: selftests: Provide self-tests (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:23   ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 16:31     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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