From: Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>
To: "Kaplan, David" <David.Kaplan@amd.com>,
Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
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Cc: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 34/56] x86/alternative: Save old bytes for alternatives
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 13:34:30 +0200 [thread overview]
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On 10/15/25 16:45, Kaplan, David wrote:
> [AMD Official Use Only - AMD Internal Distribution Only]
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 5:38 AM
>> To: Kaplan, David <David.Kaplan@amd.com>; Thomas Gleixner
>> <tglx@linutronix.de>; Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>; Peter Zijlstra
>> <peterz@infradead.org>; Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>; Pawan Gupta
>> <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>; Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>; Dave
>> Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>; x86@kernel.org; H . Peter Anvin
>> <hpa@zytor.com>
>> Cc: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>; Boris Ostrovsky
>> <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
>> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 34/56] x86/alternative: Save old bytes for alternatives
>>
>> On 13.10.25 16:34, David Kaplan wrote:
>>> Save the existing instruction bytes at each alternative site when patching.
>>> This is only done the first time, and these will be used later to help
>>> restore the code back to its original form.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: David Kaplan <david.kaplan@amd.com>
>>
>> Instead of saving the original instructions at runtime, why don't you
>> expand struct alt_instr to have an additional offset to a saved copy
>> of the original instruction, located in .altinstr_replacement?
>>
>> The new field should be guarded with #ifdef CONFIG_DYNAMIC_MITIGATIONS,
>> of course, like the added handling in the ALTERNATIVE() macros.
>>
>
> That's an interesting idea, I think that could work. That would make the kernel image on disk (slightly) larger though, as the original bytes will essentially be duplicated (at the original location and in .altinstr_replacement). I'm not sure which is the better trade-off (kernel image bytes on disk vs runtime memory usage). Although I think we're talking about a relatively small amount of memory regardless. Most of the runtime overhead of dynamic mitigations comes from remembering the call sites/returns.
It's not just about memory usage per-se but also memory pressure from
allocation and the resulting fragmentation, though I'd think that
majority of the allocation will fit into kmalloc-32 bucket, still having
them as part of the kernel image eliminates the additional allocs.
>
> Thanks
> --David Kaplan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-27 11:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-13 14:33 [RFC PATCH 00/56] Dynamic mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 01/56] Documentation/admin-guide: Add documentation David Kaplan
2025-10-16 21:24 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-17 14:04 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-18 13:39 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-20 13:53 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-22 11:43 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 02/56] x86/Kconfig: Add CONFIG_DYNAMIC_MITIGATIONS David Kaplan
2025-10-16 21:20 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-17 13:57 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 03/56] cpu: Reset global mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-16 21:34 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-17 14:05 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-17 14:19 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-17 16:03 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-17 16:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 04/56] x86/bugs: Reset spectre_v1 mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-14 18:37 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-14 19:16 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-29 11:57 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-29 13:48 ` Kaplan, David
2025-11-03 18:24 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 05/56] x86/bugs: Reset spectre_v2 mitigations David Kaplan
2025-11-03 19:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-03 20:10 ` Kaplan, David
2025-11-03 20:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-05 2:29 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-11-05 11:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-05 17:06 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-11-05 20:04 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-05 20:21 ` Kaplan, David
2025-11-05 20:52 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-11-14 17:14 ` [PATCH] x86/bugs: Get rid of the forward declarations Borislav Petkov
2025-11-14 19:19 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-11-14 19:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-14 20:04 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 06/56] x86/bugs: Reset retbleed mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 07/56] x86/bugs: Reset spectre_v2_user mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-16 12:54 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-16 14:06 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 14:56 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-16 15:26 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 16:13 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-26 11:23 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-12-01 16:53 ` Kaplan, David
2025-12-03 12:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-12-03 17:02 ` Kaplan, David
2025-12-03 17:35 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-12-03 20:14 ` Kaplan, David
2025-12-04 15:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 08/56] x86/bugs: Reset SSB mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-17 15:13 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-10-17 15:56 ` Kaplan, David
2026-01-20 13:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 09/56] x86/bugs: Reset L1TF mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 10/56] x86/bugs: Reset MDS mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:33 ` [RFC PATCH 11/56] x86/bugs: Reset MMIO mitigations David Kaplan
2026-01-26 13:05 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-26 14:51 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 12/56] x86/bugs: Reset SRBDS mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 13/56] x86/bugs: Reset SRSO mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 14/56] x86/bugs: Reset GDS mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-24 2:40 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-24 14:43 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 15/56] x86/bugs: Reset BHI mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-24 2:49 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-24 15:02 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 16/56] x86/bugs: Reset ITS mitigation David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 17/56] x86/bugs: Reset TSA mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 18/56] x86/bugs: Reset VMSCAPE mitigations David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 19/56] x86/bugs: Define bugs_smt_disable() David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 20/56] x86/bugs: Move bugs.c logic out of .init section David Kaplan
2025-10-16 12:31 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-16 13:46 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 14:33 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 21/56] x86/callthunks: Move logic out of .init David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 22/56] cpu: Move mitigation " David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 23/56] x86/vmlinux.lds: Move alternative sections David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 24/56] x86/vmlinux.lds: Move altinstr_aux conditionally David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 25/56] x86/vmlinux.lds: Define __init_alt_end David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 26/56] module: Save module ELF info David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 27/56] x86/mm: Conditionally free alternative sections David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 28/56] stop_machine: Add stop_machine_nmi() David Kaplan
2026-01-09 22:16 ` Chang S. Bae
2026-01-09 22:19 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 29/56] x86/apic: Add self-NMI support David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 30/56] x86/nmi: Add support for stop_machine_nmi() David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 31/56] x86/alternative: Prepend nops with retpolines David Kaplan
2025-10-16 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 11:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 11:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 13:27 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 14:16 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 14:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22 8:41 ` David Laight
2025-10-22 10:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 32/56] x86/alternative: Add module param David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 33/56] x86/alternative: Avoid re-patching init code David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 34/56] x86/alternative: Save old bytes for alternatives David Kaplan
2025-10-15 10:38 ` Juergen Gross
2025-10-15 13:45 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-27 11:34 ` Nikolay Borisov [this message]
2025-10-27 14:19 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-29 9:37 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-10-29 16:26 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-29 22:14 ` David Laight
2025-10-30 14:39 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-30 15:42 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-10-30 15:49 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 35/56] x86/alternative: Save old bytes for retpolines David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 36/56] x86/alternative: Do not recompute len on re-patch David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 37/56] x86/alternative: Reset alternatives David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 38/56] x86/callthunks: Reset callthunks David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 39/56] x86/sync_core: Add sync_core_nmi_safe() David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 40/56] x86/alternative: Use sync_core_nmi_safe() David Kaplan
2025-10-16 10:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 14:40 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 14:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 15:34 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 16:15 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-16 16:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-16 18:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 18:56 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 18:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 21:53 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-10-20 14:49 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-20 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-23 18:50 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-23 19:26 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-10-23 21:23 ` David Laight
2025-10-21 2:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 41/56] static_call: Add update_all_static_calls() David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 42/56] module: Make memory writeable for re-patching David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 43/56] module: Update alternatives David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 44/56] x86/module: " David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 45/56] x86/alternative: Use boot_cpu_has in ITS code David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 46/56] x86/alternative: Add ITS re-patching support David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 47/56] x86/module: Add ITS re-patch support for modules David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 48/56] x86/bugs: Move code for updating speculation MSRs David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 49/56] x86/fpu: Qualify warning in os_xsave David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 50/56] x86/alternative: Add re-patch support David Kaplan
2025-10-31 10:22 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-11-04 16:54 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 51/56] cpu: Parse string of mitigation options David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 52/56] x86/bugs: Support parsing " David Kaplan
2025-10-27 11:31 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-10-27 13:56 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 53/56] drivers/cpu: Re-patch mitigations through sysfs David Kaplan
2025-10-27 12:25 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-10-27 13:59 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 54/56] x86/debug: Create debugfs interface to x86_capabilities David Kaplan
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 55/56] x86/debug: Show return thunk in debugfs David Kaplan
2025-10-27 12:29 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-10-27 14:24 ` David Laight
2025-10-13 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 56/56] x86/debug: Show static branch config " David Kaplan
2025-10-14 16:29 ` [RFC PATCH 00/56] Dynamic mitigations Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-14 18:06 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-15 9:14 ` Alexander Graf
2025-10-15 23:06 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2025-10-16 12:21 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-15 4:10 ` Aaron Rainbolt
2025-10-15 13:53 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-15 15:43 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-15 15:51 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-15 16:02 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-10-15 16:10 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 10:00 ` Nicolas Bouchinet
2025-10-16 13:42 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-16 13:55 ` Nicolas Bouchinet
2025-10-16 13:56 ` Kaplan, David
2025-10-24 5:00 ` Pawan Gupta
2025-10-24 13:41 ` Kaplan, David
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