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From: Craig <edfardos@gmail.com>
To: hugh@blemings.id.au, Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	kuba@kernel.org
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, horms@kernel.org,
	linux-hams@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com, stable@kernel.org,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, yizhe@darknavy.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] netrom: do some basic forms of validation on incoming frames
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:51:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <761f83cc-58eb-4b4a-ba91-d11412e7b2a6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4f5810a7-c792-4d6b-9f7c-6c6b289def19@blemings.org>

> If the main concern here is ongoing maintenance of these Ham Radio 
> related protocols/drivers, can we pause for a moment on anything as 
> dramatic as removing from the tree entirely ?
>
> There is a good cohort of capable kernel folks that either are or were 
> ham radio operators who I believe, upon realising that things have got 
> to this point, will be happy to redouble efforts to ensure this code 
> maintained and tested to a satisfactory standard.
>
> Or, alternatively, as a technical community it may be that the Ham 
> Radio interested folks conclude that out of tree or user space 
> solutions are a better way forward as others have proposed.
>
> Give us a few days, please, for the word to be put around that we need 
> to pull ourselves together a bit as a technical group :)
>

I, for one, really can't imagine pulling an entire network subsytem out 
of the kernel without any
knowledge of how/if/when it's used.  Like intercontinental radio 
networks, global email, ax.25
keyboard-to-keyboard, BBS and other emergency-communication systems 
throughout the
world.  If you're sure the Internet will never fail, I guess it makes 
sense removing all of this
since it's inconvenient to maintain.

Global AX.25 keyboard-to-keyboard on 14.105Mhz

    https://qsl.net/kb9pvh/105.html

AX.25/netrom VHF routed networks spanning from Oregon to Los Angeles.

    https://www.easymapmaker.com/map/80666c4898ec6e8fa0c35add5d03282d

Global radio email using AX.25

   https://winlink.org/RMSChannels (1,336 AX.25 email packet nodes on 
the Earth and Space)

This is all in operation by Amateur Radio ARES emergency 
protocols/technologies.  This
will not pass the headline test when it comes to Linux detractors.

Most of this is running on Raspberry Pi / Linux 24/7.

If we want to kill all these apps and somehow force them into user space,
it's akin to just switching to Windows - and flounder with the Microsoft 
folks
trying to do the same thing.


-craig
https://digipi.org/


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-10 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-07  8:45 [PATCH net] netrom: do some basic forms of validation on incoming frames Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-04-09 19:03 ` Simon Horman
2026-04-10  3:32   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-04-10  5:24     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-04-10 10:28       ` Simon Horman
2026-04-10 15:12         ` jj
2026-04-10 16:38           ` David Ranch
2026-04-10 17:21             ` Dan Carpenter
2026-04-10 18:23           ` Dan Cross
2026-04-10 21:30       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-04-10 21:54         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-04-10 22:11           ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-04-10 22:25             ` Hugh Blemings
2026-04-10 22:51               ` Craig [this message]
2026-04-10 23:38                 ` Hugh Blemings

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