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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Ariel Miculas <amiculas@cisco.com>
Cc: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/24] erofs: add Errno in Rust
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 10:18:06 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7739346c-b98e-4359-b0d2-44cd73ae55f0@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240926124959.n7i33p4fonp2op27@amiculas-l-PF3FCGJH>



On 2024/9/26 20:50, Ariel Miculas wrote:
> On 24/09/26 07:23, Gao Xiang wrote:

...

>>>
>>> It might be a fair comparison, but that's not how container images are
>>> distributed. You're trying to argue that I should just use EROFS and I'm
>>
>> First, OCI layer is just distributed like what I said.
>>
>> For example, I could introduce some common blobs to keep
>> chunks as chunk dictionary.   And then the each image
>> will be just some index, and all data will be
>> deduplicated.  That is also what Nydus works.
> 
> I don't really follow what Nydus does. Here [1] it says they're using
> fixed size chunks of 1 MB. Where is the CDC step exactly?

Dragonfly Nydus uses fixed-size chunks of 1MiB by default with
limited external blobs as chunk dictionaries.  And ComposeFS
uses per-file blobs.

Currently, Both are all EROFS users using different EROFS
features.  EROFS itself supports fixed-size chunks (unencoded),
variable-sized extents (encoded, CDC optional) and limited
external blobs.

Honestly, for your testload (10 versions of ubuntu:jammy), I
don't think CDC made a significant difference in the final
result compared to per-file blobs likewise.  Because most of
the files in these images are identical, I think there are
only binary differences due to CVE fixes or similar issues.
Maybe delta compression could do more help, but I never try
this.  So as I asked in [1], does ComposeFS already meet your
requirement?

Again, EROFS could keep every different extent (or each chunk,
whatever) as a seperate file with minor update, it's a trivial
stuff for some userspace archive system, but IMO it's
controversal for an in-tree kernel filesystem.

[1] https://github.com/project-machine/puzzlefs/issues/114#issuecomment-2369971291

Thanks,
Gao Xiang

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-27  2:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-16 13:56 [RFC PATCH 00/24] erofs: introduce Rust implementation Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 01/24] erofs: lift up erofs_fill_inode to global Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 02/24] erofs: add superblock data structure in Rust Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 17:55   ` Greg KH
2024-09-17  0:18     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17  5:34       ` Greg KH
2024-09-17  5:45         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17  5:27     ` Yiyang Wu
2024-09-17  5:39     ` Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 03/24] erofs: add Errno " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 17:51   ` Greg KH
2024-09-16 23:45     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-20  2:49     ` [PATCH RESEND 0/1] rust: introduce declare_err! autogeneration Yiyang Wu
2024-09-20  2:49       ` [PATCH RESEND 1/1] rust: error: auto-generate error declarations Yiyang Wu
2024-09-20  2:57     ` [RFC PATCH 03/24] erofs: add Errno in Rust Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 20:01   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-16 23:58     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-19 13:45       ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-19 15:13         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-19 19:36           ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-20  0:49             ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-21  8:37               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-09-21  9:29                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-25 15:48             ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-25 16:35               ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-25 21:45                 ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26  0:40                   ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  1:04                     ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  8:10                       ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26  8:25                         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26  9:51                           ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26 10:46                             ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26 11:01                               ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-26 11:05                                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26 11:23                                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-26 12:50                                   ` Ariel Miculas
2024-09-27  2:18                                     ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2024-09-26  8:48                         ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 04/24] erofs: add xattrs data structure " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 05/24] erofs: add inode " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-18 13:04   ` [External Mail][RFC " Huang Jianan
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 06/24] erofs: add alloc_helper " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 07/24] erofs: add data abstraction " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 08/24] erofs: add device data structure " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 09/24] erofs: add continuous iterators " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 10/24] erofs: add device_infos implementation " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-21  9:44   ` Jianan Huang
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 11/24] erofs: add map data structure " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 12/24] erofs: add directory entry " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 13/24] erofs: add runtime filesystem and inode " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 14/24] erofs: add block mapping capability " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 15/24] erofs: add iter methods in filesystem " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 16/24] erofs: implement dir and inode operations " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 17/24] erofs: introduce Rust SBI to C Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 18/24] erofs: introduce iget alternative " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 19/24] erofs: introduce namei " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 17:08   ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  6:48     ` Yiyang Wu
2024-09-17  7:14       ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17  7:31         ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  7:44           ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  8:08             ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-17 22:22             ` Al Viro
2024-09-17  8:06           ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 20/24] erofs: introduce readdir " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 21/24] erofs: introduce erofs_map_blocks " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 22/24] erofs: add skippable iters in Rust Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 23/24] erofs: implement xattrs operations " Yiyang Wu
2024-09-16 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 24/24] erofs: introduce xattrs replacement to C Yiyang Wu

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