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From: Danny Tsen <dtsen@linux.ibm.com>
To: Andy Polyakov <appro@cryptogams.org>, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, leitao@debian.org,
	nayna@linux.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au,
	ltcgcw@linux.vnet.ibm.com, dtsen@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] crypto: X25519 core functions for ppc64le
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 08:58:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7859e867-ddf4-494f-8ddb-2949aafbb40a@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7eb6bf4b-5510-48fe-aa6c-ac5207d5a2c1@cryptogams.org>

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the info.  I should be able to do it.  I was hoping an 
assembly guru like you can show me some tricks here if there is :)

Thanks.

-Danny

On 5/15/24 8:33 AM, Andy Polyakov wrote:
>>> +static void cswap(fe51 p, fe51 q, unsigned int bit)
>>> +{
>>> +    u64 t, i;
>>> +    u64 c = 0 - (u64) bit;
>>> +
>>> +    for (i = 0; i < 5; ++i) {
>>> +        t = c & (p[i] ^ q[i]);
>>> +        p[i] ^= t;
>>> +        q[i] ^= t;
>>> +    }
>>> +}
>>
>> The "c" in cswap stands for "constant-time," and the problem is that 
>> contemporary compilers have exhibited the ability to produce 
>> non-constant-time machine code as result of compilation of the above 
>> kind of technique. The outcome is platform-specific and ironically 
>> some of PPC code generators were observed to generate "most" 
>> non-constant-time code. "Most" in sense that execution time 
>> variations would be most easy to catch.
>
> Just to substantiate the point, consider 
> https://godbolt.org/z/faYnEcPT7, and note the conditional branch in 
> the middle of the loop, which flies in the face of constant-time-ness. 
> In case you object 'bit &= 1' on line 7 in the C code. Indeed, if you 
> comment it out, the generated code will be fine. But the point is that 
> the compiler is capable of and was in fact observed to figure out that 
> the caller passes either one or zero and generate the machine code in 
> the assembly window. In other words 'bit &= 1' is just a reflection of 
> what the caller does.
>
>> ... the permanent solution is to do it in assembly. I can put 
>> together something...
>
> Though you should be able to do this just as well :-) So should I or 
> would you?
>
> Cheers.
>

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-15 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-14 17:38 [PATCH 0/3] crypto: X25519 supports for ppc64le Danny Tsen
2024-05-14 17:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] crypto: X25519 low-level primitives " Danny Tsen
2024-05-15  8:11   ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 12:59     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-15  9:06   ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 13:04     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-16  4:53   ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-16  8:38     ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-16 11:39       ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-16 12:06       ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-16 13:42         ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-16 19:48         ` Segher Boessenkool
2024-05-16 11:38     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-14 17:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] crypto: X25519 core functions " Danny Tsen
2024-05-15  8:29   ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 13:06     ` Danny Tsen
2024-05-15 13:33     ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-15 13:58       ` Danny Tsen [this message]
2024-05-15 14:20         ` Andy Polyakov
2024-05-16 19:28     ` Segher Boessenkool
2024-05-14 17:38 ` [PATCH 3/3] crypto: Update Kconfig and Makefile for ppc64le x25519 Danny Tsen

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