From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753965AbdKJXEJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:04:09 -0500 Received: from mga07.intel.com ([134.134.136.100]:15251 "EHLO mga07.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750932AbdKJXEI (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:04:08 -0500 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,376,1505804400"; d="scan'208";a="6349891" Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/30] x86, kaiser: disable native VSYSCALL To: Andy Lutomirski References: <20171108194646.907A1942@viggo.jf.intel.com> <20171108194731.AB5BDA01@viggo.jf.intel.com> <6871f284-b7e9-f843-608f-5345f9d03396@linux.intel.com> <27b55108-1e72-cb3d-d5d8-ffe0238245aa@linux.intel.com> <4c8c441e-d65c-fcec-7718-6997bd010971@linux.intel.com> Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , moritz.lipp@iaik.tugraz.at, Daniel Gruss , michael.schwarz@iaik.tugraz.at, richard.fellner@student.tugraz.at, Linus Torvalds , Kees Cook , Hugh Dickins , X86 ML From: Dave Hansen Message-ID: <7ec56785-8e18-4ac8-ebe8-ebdd3ac265da@linux.intel.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 15:04:07 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11/10/2017 02:06 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Dave Hansen > wrote: >> On 11/09/2017 06:25 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>> Here are two proposals to address this without breaking vsyscalls. >>> >>> 1. Set NX on low mappings that are _PAGE_USER. Don't set NX on high >>> mappings but, optionally, warn if you see _PAGE_USER on any address >>> that isn't the vsyscall page. >>> >>> 2. Ignore _PAGE_USER entirely and just mark the EFI mm as special so >>> KAISER doesn't muck with it. >> >> These are totally doable. But, what's the big deal with breaking native >> vsyscall? We can still do the emulation so nothing breaks: it is just slow. > > I have nothing against disabling native. I object to breaking the > weird binary tracing behavior in the emulation mode, especially if > it's tangled up with KAISER. I got all kinds of flak in an earlier > version of the vsyscall emulation patches when I broke that use case. > KAISER may get very widely backported -- let's not make changes that > are already known to break things. Is the thing that broke a "user mode program that actually looks at the vsyscall page"? Like Linus is referring to here: > http://lkml.kernel.org/r/CA+55aFyijHb4WnDMKgeXekTZHYT8pajqSAu2peo3O4EKiZbYPA@mail.gmail.com