From: kaih@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000?
Date: 09 Mar 2001 20:16:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7xWQFvVHw-B@khms.westfalen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AA7DFCD.1000502@trustix.com>
In-Reply-To: <1355693A51C0D211B55A00105ACCFE64E952C3@ATL_MS1> <3AA7DFCD.1000502@trustix.com>
larsg@trustix.com (Lars Gaarden) wrote on 08.03.01 in <3AA7DFCD.1000502@trustix.com>:
> Venkatesh Ramamurthy wrote:
>
> > Please check out this article. Looks like microsoft know open source is
> > the thing of the future. I would consider that it is a begining step for
> > full blown GPL!!!!
> >
> > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2692987,00.html
>
> I'm not so sure about that. It is going to be heavily NDA'ed
> and look-but-not-touch.
>
> Enterprise customers are beginning to see the value of having
> source available, and MS is doing this as a half-baked
> solution to give decition makers one less reason for switching
> to Open Source.
And remember that other companies have been doing similar things since
just about forever. It's not as if MS invented this thing.
Or maybe I have to take that back. The "must not modify" clause certainly
seems non-standard.
AT&T Unix source didn't carry a "must not modify" rider.
IBM's big iron OS source certainly didn't carry a "must not modify" rider.
In fact, making modifications was very much the *point* of this excercise.
Yet again. Microsoft is copying something yet failing to realize the
point. Am I surprised? Nope.
> This also gives MS an opportunity to do PR. Expect some "We
> provide our customers with the good benefits of Open Source
> without the danger of fragmentation and market confusion" from
> their marketroids soon.
Which is, of course, the exact opposite of what they _are_ doing.
> Compare this to the release of W98SE. The main reason for SE was
> to stop home users being introduced to Linux because of ipmasq'ing.
That's a new one for me. I certainly never heard an argument for SE that
was even remotely in that area.
> You can accuse MS of a lot of things. Being stupid and ignorant
> of the market is not one of them.
I'm not so sure about that. If they really did, why would they need to
resort to unfair tactics so often? It's not as if a 1000 pound gorilla
couldn't easily survive a fair fight, if he wasn't a complete idiot.
MfG Kai
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-03-09 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-03-08 15:01 Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000? Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-03-08 15:52 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-08 16:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-09 5:43 ` J. Dow
2001-03-09 6:34 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-09 11:11 ` Dr. Michael Weller
2001-03-08 17:21 ` [OT] " Stuart MacDonald
2001-03-08 17:38 ` rjd
2001-03-08 22:46 ` David Schwartz
2001-03-08 17:40 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-08 19:30 ` Nathan Paul Simons
2001-03-08 19:10 ` Roeland Th. Jansen
2001-03-08 19:38 ` Lars Gaarden
2001-03-09 18:16 ` Kai Henningsen [this message]
2001-03-10 3:49 ` Steve Underwood
2001-03-11 17:23 ` Mark H. Wood
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-08 15:24 Jesse Pollard
2001-03-08 18:34 ` Ian Stirling
2001-03-08 20:41 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-08 16:04 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-03-08 16:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-08 16:28 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-08 18:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-03-08 18:32 ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-03-09 10:40 ` Graham Murray
2001-03-09 12:05 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-09 12:47 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-03-10 2:10 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-09 13:26 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-09 17:01 ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-09 19:34 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-08 16:31 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-03-08 17:36 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-08 17:53 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-03-08 19:14 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-03-09 3:35 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-03-08 16:49 Wayne.Brown
2001-03-08 19:40 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-03-08 21:21 Jason Venner
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