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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFT v9 4/8] fork: Add shadow stack support to clone3()
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 23:57:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <82be9ec6e43a018add8d9bbc6ba67feee676f32e.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cc2e7d86-c890-4cb1-8cad-1cfaa9f53dc8@sirena.org.uk>

On Wed, 2024-08-21 at 00:34 +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> > Why do we need both shadow_stack and shadow_stack_size? We are basically
> > asking
> > it to consume a token at a pointer and have userspace manage the shadow
> > stack
> > itself. So why does the kernel care what size it is? Couldn't we just have
> > 'shadow_stack' have that mean consume a token here.
> 
> I was doing things this way for symmetry with how we specify the normal
> stack.  That's a bit different since the kernel will actually use the
> size for the normal stack but it felt nicer to keep things looking
> consistent, it saves users wondering why they work differently.  It's
> also a bit of a help with portability given that arm64 expects to have a
> top of stack marker above the token by default while x86 doesn't support
> that.

Hmm, so then on arm the kernel would look for the token down a frame. Hmm. I
think it makes it even stranger ABI wise.

SHADOW_STACK_SET_MARKER can be optional (not on arm, but could be in the
future). Then the shadow_stack_size to token offset behavior would depend on
some historical originally supported combination of map_shadow_stack args.

BTW, just to try to reduce potential future revisions, what do you think about
the 8 byte alignment need? Did I miss the check somewhere?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-20 23:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-19 19:24 [PATCH RFT v9 0/8] fork: Support shadow stacks in clone3() Mark Brown
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 1/8] Documentation: userspace-api: Add shadow stack API documentation Mark Brown
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 2/8] selftests: Provide helper header for shadow stack testing Mark Brown
2024-08-20 21:36   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 3/8] mm: Introduce ARCH_HAS_USER_SHADOW_STACK Mark Brown
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 4/8] fork: Add shadow stack support to clone3() Mark Brown
2024-08-20 21:36   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-20 23:34     ` Mark Brown
2024-08-20 23:57       ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2024-08-21  0:19         ` Mark Brown
2024-08-21  1:45           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-21 12:45             ` Mark Brown
2024-08-21 15:54               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-08-21 17:23                 ` Mark Brown
2024-08-21 18:05                   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-09-27  8:50                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-27 15:21                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-01 15:12                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-01 17:33                         ` Mark Brown
2024-10-01 23:03                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-02 13:42                             ` Mark Brown
2024-10-02 21:01                               ` Mark Brown
2024-10-02 21:25                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-03 16:05                         ` Yury Khrustalev
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 5/8] selftests/clone3: Remove redundant flushes of output streams Mark Brown
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 6/8] selftests/clone3: Factor more of main loop into test_clone3() Mark Brown
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 7/8] selftests/clone3: Allow tests to flag if -E2BIG is a valid error code Mark Brown
2024-08-19 19:24 ` [PATCH RFT v9 8/8] selftests/clone3: Test shadow stack support Mark Brown

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