From: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [benchmark] 1% performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native kernels
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:13:37 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <84144f020906021113j12c3a8fbt40dd37ab780847ca@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090602162008.GH3914@think>
Hi Chris,
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> The best place to fix xen is in the kernel.
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:22:57AM -0700, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
>> No. The best way to fix things is _on the way into the kernel_.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com> wrote:
> It all depends on which parts are causing problems. A 1% performance
> hit, under a CONFIG_ that can be disabled? If maintainers are focusing
> on details like this for long term and active projects, we're doing
> something very wrong.
The fact that CONFIG_PARAVIRT can be disabled doesn't really help. As
a matter of fact, I'd argue that one of the primary reasons
CONFIG_SLUB regression is still there is because people can just
disable it and use CONFIG_SLAB instead.
So I think we have some evidence to suggest that people have less
incentive to fix things once something is merged to the kernel. And I
don't mean the authors of the code here but basically _everyone_
involved in kernel development. It usually takes effort from variety
of people to get everything ironed out because, lets face it, we can't
expect a handful of people to test out every configuration let alone
fix them.
Pekka
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-02 18:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-14 0:16 Performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native identified Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-14 1:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-14 14:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14 17:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-14 17:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14 8:05 ` [Xen-devel] Performance overhead of paravirt_ops on nativeidentified Jan Beulich
2009-05-14 8:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-14 17:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-15 8:10 ` Jan Beulich
2009-05-15 18:50 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-18 7:19 ` Jan Beulich
2009-05-20 22:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-15 18:18 ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86: Fix performance regression caused by paravirt_ops on native kernels tip-bot for Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-21 22:42 ` Performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native identified Chuck Ebbert
2009-05-21 22:48 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-21 23:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22 1:26 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-05-22 3:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22 4:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-22 5:59 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-05-22 16:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22 22:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-22 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25 9:15 ` [benchmark] 1% performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native kernels Ingo Molnar
2009-05-26 18:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-28 6:17 ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-28 20:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-30 10:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-02 14:18 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-02 14:49 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-06-02 15:03 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-02 15:22 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-06-02 16:20 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-02 18:13 ` Pekka Enberg [this message]
2009-06-02 18:06 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02 18:27 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-03 6:33 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-06-02 19:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-02 19:51 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-03 12:38 ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-03 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <200906041554.37102.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2009-06-04 15:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-04 21:52 ` Dave McCracken
2009-06-05 7:31 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-05 14:31 ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-06 18:54 ` Anders K. Pedersen
2009-06-05 4:46 ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-05 14:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-07 0:53 ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-08 14:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 9:39 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 12:10 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 12:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 12:42 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 12:56 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-09 15:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 23:33 ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-10 1:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 15:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 15:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-09 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 22:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-09 22:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-09 14:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 14:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 15:55 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-09 15:38 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 16:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 16:21 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 16:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 16:45 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-10 5:53 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17 9:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-17 9:56 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-10 6:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2009-06-04 6:58 Rusty Russell
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