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From: Wayne.Brown@altec.com
To: Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Not a typewriter
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:07:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86256A49.00589003.00@smtpnotes.altec.com> (raw)



On 05/10/2001 at 06:20:34 PM Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org> wrote:

>Heaven help us when tradition is more important than clarity.
>

If clarity is the most important consideration, then other things should be
changed as well.  For instance, the command we use to search for text strings in
files should be called "textsearch."  That's a lot more clear than "grep."

>Typewriter has always been wrong. I'd agree that "Not a teletypewriter" would
>suffice.
>

But the original message said "typewriter."  (The "wrongness" is part of its
charm.)  If the wording is going to be changed, then it's better to abandon the
tradition altogether and use one of the more descriptive and "correct" messages
you and others have proposed.

>On the other hand "Inappropriate ioctl for device" is also not very clear.
>
>I'd like to see "Not a serial or character device" or "Not a serial device" if
>that's more appropriate. Something like that...

My point is that someone who sees the "typewriter" message and doesn't
understand it will have to dig a bit to find out what it means.  Finding it
almost certainly will involve uncovering some of the history and folklore of
Unix.  In the "Intro to Unix" classes I've taught over the years, I've always
made a point of explaining the background of things like this -- such as the
relation of grep to the g/re/p expression of ed, ex and vi; where biff got its
name; what the letters stand for in awk; why creat doesn't end in an "e;" and so
forth.  I tell the class that Unix has quirky, eccentric, whimsical elements
because many of the things in it were written by quirky, eccentric, or whimsical
people.  The comment at the bottom of some versions of the tunefs man page (such
as the HP-UX version) is an example I like to use:  "You can tune a file system,
but you can't tune a fish."  I tell them they'll understand the Unix way of
thinking faster if they approach it with an inquisitive, playful spirit rather
than as a stuffy business system.  It's supposed to be correct; it's supposed to
be efficient; but it's also supposed to be fun, and sometimes the fun is worth
sacrificing a little of the other qualities in trivial areas.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Life With Unix" should be required
reading for anyone who goes near a Unix (or Linux) system.

Wayne



             reply	other threads:[~2001-05-11 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-11 16:07 Wayne.Brown [this message]
2001-05-11 17:03 ` Not a typewriter Joel Jaeggli
2001-05-11 21:43 ` Hacksaw
2001-05-13 23:39   ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-12  4:18 ` John Alvord
2001-05-13 23:35 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-14  1:03   ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-14 14:31     ` John Kodis
2001-05-14 15:33       ` Not a typewriterg Michael Meissner
2001-05-14 15:25     ` Not a typewriter Michael Meissner
2001-05-14 17:01       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 17:16         ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-14 17:29         ` Jesse Pollard
2001-05-14 18:04           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14  1:31   ` Jonathan Lundell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-14  2:59 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-11 23:57 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-11 23:18 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-14 22:22 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-11 18:37 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-10 23:06 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-10 23:20 ` Hacksaw
2001-05-10 23:52   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-11  0:07     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-11  2:01       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-11  9:21         ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-11  0:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-11  1:31   ` David S. Miller
2001-05-11  1:32     ` Blue Lang
2001-05-11  9:31       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-11 12:25   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-05-11  9:37 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 14:01 ` Anuradha Ratnaweera
2001-05-10 21:42 Richard B. Johnson
2001-05-10 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-11  7:22 ` Tom Leete

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