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From: Wayne.Brown@altec.com
To: John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com>
Cc: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:11:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86256B18.005EE7DC.00@smtpnotes.altec.com> (raw)



It's not the CML1 language spec that interests me, just the user interface.  All
I care about is being able to do make menuconfig and make oldconfig, and get the
same results as before.  What goes on "under the surface" doesn't interest me at
all.

In fact, here's all I want to know about the whole CML2/kbuild 2.5 issue.  Right
now I upgrade my kernel like this (simplified slightly):

<apply latest patches>
mv .config ..
make mrproper
mv ../.config .
make oldconfig
make dep
make bzlilo modules modules_install
<reboot>

Will I still be able to do it this simply in 2.5.x?  (Assuming there's
eventually a 2.5.x I can get to compile cleanly.  :-)

Wayne




John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com> on 12/04/2001 10:31:10 AM

To:   Christoph Hellwig <hch@caldera.de>
cc:   Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
      linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com (bcc: Wayne
      Brown/Corporate/Altec)

Subject:  Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5




Christoph> I still strongly object to it and I know lots of kernel
Christoph> hackers are the same opinion.

I'm not a hacker, but I think it's a good thing to move to CML2.  I've
tested it and it's got some nice features.  The Python issue I don't
think is too onerous to require of people.  And wasn't there someone
out there porting CML2 to straight C code?

Why are people so wedded to the CML1 language spec anyway?

John
   John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies
      stoffel@lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548
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             reply	other threads:[~2001-12-04 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-04 17:11 Wayne.Brown [this message]
2001-12-04 17:44 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:46 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 18:21   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:24     ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 23:00     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 23:05       ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 23:21         ` Keith Owens
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-04 19:06 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:50 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:50 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05  1:29 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 18:38 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 18:30 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:50 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:07   ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 21:23     ` Edward Muller
2001-12-05  1:26 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-05 16:14 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06  0:37   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:18 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2001-12-04 17:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-05  3:21   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-04 17:08 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:17 ` Jakob Kemi
2001-12-04 18:22 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05  2:30   ` Greg Banks
2001-12-05 10:02     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:46 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 18:43   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:27     ` David Weinehall
2001-12-05  1:17 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07  5:22 ` Stevie O
2001-12-03  1:06 Keith Owens
2001-12-03  1:19 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-03  2:03   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04  0:22     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04  0:52       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 11:04 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 11:52   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:22     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:21       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 11:15         ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 12:19   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:28   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:48       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:00         ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 13:16           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 15:40               ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 16:11               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:33               ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:03                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:38                   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:36                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:03                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 19:04                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:43                   ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 19:48                     ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:53                       ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:03                         ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:57                     ` Mike Castle
2001-12-04 19:59                     ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:11                       ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:20                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 21:03                         ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 22:10                         ` Trevor Smith
2001-12-04 22:26                           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 20:20                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-12-05  3:14                       ` John Cowan
2001-12-05  4:36                         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-05 14:54                       ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 14:51                     ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06  0:37                       ` Dave Jones
2001-12-06 16:49                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06  9:57                         ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 16:59                         ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 17:25                           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 10:03                             ` Rob Landley
2001-12-07  0:06                               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07  0:57                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-07  1:44                                 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-06 18:30                             ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 18:51                               ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-06 18:59                                 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:14                                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-06 22:17                                 ` John Cowan
2001-12-07 14:44                                   ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-07 15:56                                     ` John Alvord
2001-12-10  9:55                                     ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07 18:12                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07  0:58                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-06 18:07                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-06 18:22                             ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:10                         ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:44                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:15                 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:19                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:30                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 17:43                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 17:42                     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:38                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:01                         ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:47                           ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 19:28                         ` Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2001-12-04 17:20                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:27                   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 18:13                     ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:26                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:27                         ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 19:19                           ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 19:24                             ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05 11:06                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 16:41               ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 16:52                 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:06                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:15                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:50                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-05  1:17                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-04 17:02                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:07                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:08                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:19                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:34                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:31   ` John Stoffel

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