From: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/21] vfio/pci: Base support to preserve a VFIO device file across Live Update
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2025 15:10:26 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86bjkhm0tp.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bC3EgL5r7myENVgJ9Hq2P9Gz0axnNqy3e6E_YKVRM=-ng@mail.gmail.com> (Pasha Tatashin's message of "Mon, 1 Dec 2025 16:59:23 -0500")
On Mon, Dec 01 2025, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 2:36 PM David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com> wrote:
[...]
>> FLB Locking
>>
>> I don't see a way to properly synchronize pci_flb_finish() with
>> pci_liveupdate_incoming_is_preserved() since the incoming FLB mutex is
>> dropped by liveupdate_flb_get_incoming() when it returns the pointer
>> to the object, and taking pci_flb_incoming_lock in pci_flb_finish()
>> could result in a deadlock due to reversing the lock ordering.
My mental model for FLB is that it is a dependency for files, so it
should always be created (aka prepare) before _any_ of the files, and
always destroyed (aka finish) after _all_ of the files.
By the time the FLB is being finished, all the files for that FLB should
also be finished, so there should no longer be a user of the FLB.
Once all of the files are finished, it should be LUO's responsibility to
make sure liveupdate_flb_get_incoming() returns an error _before_ it
starts doing the FLB finish. And in FLB finish you should not be needing
to take any locks.
Why do you want to use the FLB when it is being finished?
>
> I will re-introduce _lock/_unlock API to solve this issue.
>
>>
>> FLB Retrieving
>>
>> The first patch of this series includes a fix to prevent an FLB from
>> being retrieved again it is finished. I am wondering if this is the
>> right approach or if subsystems are expected to stop calling
>> liveupdate_flb_get_incoming() after an FLB is finished.
IMO once the FLB is finished, LUO should make sure it cannot be
retrieved, mainly so subsystem code is simpler and less bug-prone.
>
> Thanks, I will include this fix in the next version of FLB.
--
Regards,
Pratyush Yadav
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-02 14:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-26 19:35 [PATCH 00/21] vfio/pci: Base support to preserve a VFIO device file across Live Update David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 01/21] liveupdate: luo_flb: Prevent retrieve() after finish() David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 02/21] PCI: Add API to track PCI devices preserved across Live Update David Matlack
2025-11-29 10:34 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-11-29 20:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-30 0:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-30 1:20 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-12-01 13:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-01 18:54 ` David Matlack
2025-12-02 6:20 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-12-02 14:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-02 16:36 ` Chris Li
2025-12-02 18:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-12-02 21:20 ` Chris Li
2025-12-03 5:44 ` Lukas Wunner
2025-12-01 21:23 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-29 20:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-12-01 18:07 ` David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 03/21] PCI: Require driver_override for incoming Live Update preserved devices David Matlack
2025-12-02 21:16 ` David Matlack
2025-12-02 21:24 ` Chris Li
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 04/21] vfio/pci: Register a file handler with Live Update Orchestrator David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 05/21] vfio/pci: Preserve vfio-pci device files across Live Update David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 06/21] vfio/pci: Retrieve preserved device files after " David Matlack
2025-12-03 12:55 ` Alex Mastro
2025-12-03 15:45 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-12-03 17:29 ` David Matlack
2025-12-04 10:30 ` Alex Mastro
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 07/21] vfio/pci: Notify PCI subsystem about devices preserved across " David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 08/21] vfio: Enforce preserved devices are retrieved via LIVEUPDATE_SESSION_RETRIEVE_FD David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 09/21] vfio/pci: Store Live Update state in struct vfio_pci_core_device David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 10/21] vfio/pci: Skip reset of preserved device after Live Update David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 11/21] selftests/liveupdate: Move luo_test_utils.* into a reusable library David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:35 ` [PATCH 12/21] selftests/liveupdate: Add helpers to preserve/retrieve FDs David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 13/21] vfio: selftests: Build liveupdate library in VFIO selftests David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 14/21] vfio: selftests: Add Makefile support for TEST_GEN_PROGS_EXTENDED David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 15/21] vfio: selftests: Add vfio_pci_liveupdate_uapi_test David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 16/21] vfio: selftests: Initialize vfio_pci_device using a VFIO cdev FD David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 17/21] vfio: selftests: Add vfio_pci_liveupdate_kexec_test David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 18/21] vfio: selftests: Expose iommu_modes to tests David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 19/21] vfio: selftests: Expose low-level helper routines for setting up struct vfio_pci_device David Matlack
2025-12-28 4:03 ` Zhu Yanjun
2026-01-05 17:54 ` David Matlack
2026-01-06 0:07 ` Yanjun.Zhu
2026-01-06 0:19 ` David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 20/21] vfio: selftests: Verify that opening VFIO device fails during Live Update David Matlack
2025-11-26 19:36 ` [PATCH 21/21] vfio: selftests: Add continuous DMA to vfio_pci_liveupdate_kexec_test David Matlack
2025-11-28 4:56 ` [PATCH 00/21] vfio/pci: Base support to preserve a VFIO device file across Live Update Zhu Yanjun
2025-12-01 15:49 ` Zhu Yanjun
2025-12-01 17:10 ` David Matlack
2025-12-01 17:16 ` Zhu Yanjun
2025-12-01 17:32 ` David Matlack
2025-12-01 17:36 ` David Matlack
2025-12-01 17:44 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-12-01 21:45 ` Yanjun.Zhu
2025-12-01 21:48 ` David Matlack
2025-12-01 21:56 ` Yanjun.Zhu
2025-12-02 5:50 ` Zhu Yanjun
2025-12-01 21:59 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-12-02 14:10 ` Pratyush Yadav [this message]
2025-12-02 21:29 ` David Matlack
2025-12-02 21:41 ` Pasha Tatashin
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