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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>
Cc: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
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	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@arm.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
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	Ganapatrao Kulkarni <gankulkarni@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>,
	Shanker Donthineni <sdonthineni@nvidia.com>,
	Alper Gun <alpergun@google.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K . V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Emi Kisanuki <fj0570is@fujitsu.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 06/46] arm64: RMI: Define the user ABI
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2026 14:37:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86ecm17zeb.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d87ee902-3b5e-4cf9-8b97-d83f8da02a5a@arm.com>

On Tue, 03 Mar 2026 14:23:08 +0000,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> On 03/03/2026 13:13, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > On Mon, 02 Mar 2026 17:13:41 +0000,
> > Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> More importantly, we have to make sure that the "RMI_PSCI_COMPLETE" is
> >> invoked before both of the following:
> >>    1. The "source" vCPU is run again
> >>    2. More importantly the "target" vCPU is run.
> > 
> > I don't understand why (1) is required. Once the VMM gets the request,
> 
> The underlying issue is, the RMM doesn't have the VCPU object for the
> "target" VCPU, to make the book keeping. Also, please note that for  a
> Realm, PSCI is emulated by the "RMM". Host is obviously notified of the
> "PSCI" changes via EXIT_PSCI (note, it is not SMCCC exit)
>  so that it can be in sync with the real state. And does have a say in
>  CPU_ON. So, before we return to running the "source" CPU,
> Host must provide the target VCPU object and its consent (via
> psci_status) to the RMM. This allows the RMM to emulate the PSCI
> request correctly and also at the same time keep its book keeping
> in tact (i.e., marking the Target VCPU as runnable or not).
> 
> When a "source" VCPU exits to the host with a PSCI_EXIT, the RMM
> marks the source VCPU has a pending PSCI operation, and
> RMI_PSCI_COMPLETE request ticks that off, making it runnable again.

Sure. What I don't get is what this has to happen on the source vcpu
thread. The RMM has absolutely no clue about that, and there should be
no impediment to letting the target vcpu do it as it starts.

Even better, you should be able to do that on the first thread that
reenters the guest, completely removing any RMM knowledge from the
PSCI handling in userspace.

If you can't do that, then please consider fixing the RMM to allow it.

Thanks,

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-03 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-17 10:10 [PATCH v12 00/46] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 01/46] kvm: arm64: Include kvm_emulate.h in kvm/arm_psci.h Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 02/46] arm64: RME: Handle Granule Protection Faults (GPFs) Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 03/46] arm64: RMI: Add SMC definitions for calling the RMM Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 04/46] arm64: RMI: Add wrappers for RMI calls Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 05/46] arm64: RMI: Check for RMI support at KVM init Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 06/46] arm64: RMI: Define the user ABI Steven Price
2026-01-23 16:47   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-01-26  9:37     ` Steven Price
2026-03-02 14:25   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-02 15:23     ` Steven Price
2026-03-02 17:13       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-03-03 13:13         ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-03 14:23           ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-03-03 14:37             ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-03-03 16:02               ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-03-03 13:11       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-04 12:08         ` Steven Price
2026-03-11 19:10       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-12  9:28         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-03-12  9:39           ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-12 10:45             ` Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 07/46] arm64: RMI: Basic infrastructure for creating a realm Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 08/46] kvm: arm64: Don't expose unsupported capabilities for realm guests Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 09/46] KVM: arm64: Allow passing machine type in KVM creation Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 10/46] arm64: RMI: RTT tear down Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 11/46] arm64: RMI: Activate realm on first VCPU run Steven Price
2025-12-17 14:29   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-03-02 14:40   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-02 16:31     ` Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 12/46] arm64: RMI: Allocate/free RECs to match vCPUs Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 13/46] KVM: arm64: vgic: Provide helper for number of list registers Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 14/46] arm64: RMI: Support for the VGIC in realms Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 15/46] KVM: arm64: Support timers in realm RECs Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 16/46] arm64: RMI: Handle realm enter/exit Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 17/46] arm64: RMI: Handle RMI_EXIT_RIPAS_CHANGE Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 18/46] KVM: arm64: Handle realm MMIO emulation Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 19/46] KVM: arm64: Expose support for private memory Steven Price
2025-12-20 13:46   ` kernel test robot
2025-12-20 13:59   ` kernel test robot
2025-12-20 14:18   ` kernel test robot
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 20/46] arm64: RMI: Allow populating initial contents Steven Price
2025-12-20 14:34   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-02 14:56   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-02 16:46     ` Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 21/46] arm64: RMI: Set RIPAS of initial memslots Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:10 ` [PATCH v12 22/46] arm64: RMI: Create the realm descriptor Steven Price
2026-01-23 18:57   ` Alper Gun
2026-01-26  9:50     ` Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 23/46] arm64: RMI: Add a VMID allocator for realms Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 24/46] arm64: RMI: Runtime faulting of memory Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 25/46] KVM: arm64: Handle realm VCPU load Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 26/46] KVM: arm64: Validate register access for a Realm VM Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 27/46] KVM: arm64: Handle Realm PSCI requests Steven Price
2026-03-02 16:39   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-03-03  9:26     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-03-03 13:04       ` Marc Zyngier
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 28/46] KVM: arm64: WARN on injected undef exceptions Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 29/46] arm64: Don't expose stolen time for realm guests Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 30/46] arm64: RMI: allow userspace to inject aborts Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 31/46] arm64: RMI: support RSI_HOST_CALL Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 32/46] arm64: RMI: Allow checking SVE on VM instance Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 33/46] arm64: RMI: Always use 4k pages for realms Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 34/46] arm64: RMI: Prevent Device mappings for Realms Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 35/46] HACK: Restore per-CPU cpu_armpmu pointer Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 36/46] arm_pmu: Provide a mechanism for disabling the physical IRQ Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 37/46] arm64: RMI: Enable PMU support with a realm guest Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 38/46] arm64: RMI: Propagate number of breakpoints and watchpoints to userspace Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 39/46] arm64: RMI: Set breakpoint parameters through SET_ONE_REG Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 40/46] arm64: RMI: Initialize PMCR.N with number counter supported by RMM Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 41/46] arm64: RMI: Propagate max SVE vector length from RMM Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 42/46] arm64: RMI: Configure max SVE vector length for a Realm Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 43/46] arm64: RMI: Provide register list for unfinalized RMI RECs Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 44/46] arm64: RMI: Provide accurate register list Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 45/46] KVM: arm64: Expose KVM_ARM_VCPU_REC to user space Steven Price
2025-12-17 10:11 ` [PATCH v12 46/46] arm64: RMI: Enable realms to be created Steven Price
2025-12-17 14:55 ` [PATCH v12 00/46] arm64: Support for Arm CCA in KVM Marc Zyngier
2025-12-17 15:28   ` Steven Price
2026-02-12 17:48 ` Mathieu Poirier
2026-02-16 12:33   ` Steven Price
2026-02-16 14:27     ` Steven Price
2026-02-17 17:47       ` Mathieu Poirier

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