From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: "Christian Marangi (Ansuel)" <ansuelsmth@gmail.com>
Cc: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
"Mike Rapoport (IBM)" <rppt@kernel.org>,
Eric DeVolder <eric.devolder@oracle.com>,
Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@somainline.org>,
John Crispin <john@phrozen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] ARM: decompressor: support AUTO_ZRELADDR and appended DTB
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 11:11:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86v7gf9z92.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+_ehUx=3Ci2hN0YYkLxBNwOu_NTHFe_ZKkw9TH+bU-4PwTD-A@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 02 Feb 2026 11:03:24 +0000,
"Christian Marangi (Ansuel)" <ansuelsmth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Il giorno lun 2 feb 2026 alle ore 11:58 Russell King (Oracle)
> <linux@armlinux.org.uk> ha scritto:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 02, 2026 at 11:26:49AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > FTR, I did provide my Tested-by for the first patch in [1].
> > > I still have this series in my local tree, which I test regularly on
> > > a variety of Renesas ARM32 platforms and on BeagleBone Black.
> > >
> > > In fact, I had completely forgotten about this series, to the point
> > > that I bisected a failure in booting mainline on one of my boards
> > > using my current .config to the absence of the first patch ;-)
> > > Apparently during the past years, I had modified my .config to make it
> > > more generic, and make better use of the DTB (incl. chosen/bootargs),
> > > which has a dependency on the first patch...
> >
> > What I would like to know is why anyone is using appended DTBs in this
> > day and age, when surely by now, Arm based boot loaders have realised
> > that Arm moved to use device trees ages ago, and the kernel requires
> > a DTB in addition to the kernel image itself.
> >
> > Appended DTB support was only there as a stop-gap for those boot
> > loaders that were around before DTB support was added, and have no
> > capability of dealing with a separate DTB.
> >
> > Come on. It's 2026. DTB has been supported on 32-bit ARM for fifteen
> > years. Surely everyone's now got modern boot loaders.
> >
> > If not, it's time to say this: fix the boot loader.
> >
>
> The main problem is that sometimes it's not possible to update the bootloader
> at all. Either they never provided the source or Uboot is not even used.
>
> And on some device updating the bootloader is risky as you would end up
> in a brick. (no way to recover it)
>
> Also other case usually sign the bootloader and permit to load whatever
> image you want so also problematic to update the bootloader.
>
> Sadly for these device, it's full of corner situation where the Vendor used
> a badly configured SDK and made a single bootloader on it.
>
> For example QCOM Uboot SDK still target ancient 2012 version if I'm not
> wrong.
If you can boot the kernel, you can also boot a secondary bootloader
that will do the right thing by exposing a DT. Fixing the boot flow
should be the priority, rather than adding more band-aids to the
kernel.
Thanks,
M.
--
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-02 11:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-21 20:29 [PATCH v2 0/2] ARM: decompressor: support AUTO_ZRELADDR and appended DTB Christian Marangi
2024-01-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] ARM: decompressor: support memory start validation for " Christian Marangi
2024-06-13 16:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-01-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] ARM: decompressor: add option to ignore MEM ATAGs Christian Marangi
2024-02-21 16:57 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] ARM: decompressor: support AUTO_ZRELADDR and appended DTB Christian Marangi
2024-02-22 12:07 ` Linus Walleij
2024-05-05 16:22 ` Christian Marangi
2024-06-13 11:24 ` Christian Marangi
2024-06-13 13:50 ` Linus Walleij
2024-06-13 15:59 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-06-13 13:42 ` Christian Marangi
2026-02-02 10:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-02 10:47 ` Christian Marangi (Ansuel)
2026-02-02 10:58 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-02-02 11:03 ` Christian Marangi (Ansuel)
2026-02-02 11:11 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-02-04 0:36 ` Linus Walleij
2026-02-04 1:27 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-02-04 10:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-04 11:54 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-02-04 12:48 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-02-04 12:58 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-04 13:29 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-02-04 13:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-04 12:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-04 9:24 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-02-04 9:49 ` Linus Walleij
2026-02-04 10:02 ` Russell King (Oracle)
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