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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Krister Johansen <kjlx@templeofstupid.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>, Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	David Reaver <me@davidreaver.com>,
	Brendan Gregg <brendan@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH linux-next 2/2] x86/xen/time: cleanup xen_tsc_safe_clocksource
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:14:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871qmjpegh.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230221055117.GA1934@templeofstupid.com>

On Mon, Feb 20 2023 at 21:51, Krister Johansen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 08:14:40PM -0800, Krister Johansen wrote:
>> > static bool __init xen_tsc_safe_clocksource(void)
>> > {
>> > 	u32 eax, ebx. ecx, edx;
>> >  
>> > 	/* Leaf 4, sub-leaf 0 (0x40000x03) */
>> > 	cpuid_count(xen_cpuid_base() + 3, 0, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
>> > 
>> > 	return ebx == XEN_CPUID_TSC_MODE_NEVER_EMULATE;
>> > }
>> 
>> I'm all for simplifying.  I'm happy to clean up that return to be more
>> idiomatic.  I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, though, that
>> the X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, X86_FEATURE_NONSTOP_TSC, and
>> check_tsc_unstable() checks were actually serving a purpose: to ensure
>> that we don't rely on the tsc in environments where it's being emulated
>> and the OS would be better served by using a PV clock.  Specifically,
>> kvmclock_init() makes a very similar set of checks that I also thought
>> were load-bearing.
>
> Bah, what I meant to say was emulated, unstable, or otherwise unsuitable
> for use as a clocksource.  IOW, even if TSC_MODE_NEVER_EMULATE is
> set, it's possible that a user is attempting a migration from a cpu
> that's not invariant, and we'd still want to check for that case and
> fall back to a PV clocksource, correct?

Sure. But a life migration from a NEVER_EMULATE to a non-invariant host
is a patently bad idea and has nothing to do with the __init function,
which is gone at that point already.

What I wanted to say:

static bool __init xen_tsc_safe_clocksource(void)
{
        ......        

	/* Leaf 4, sub-leaf 0 (0x40000x03) */
	cpuid_count(xen_cpuid_base() + 3, 0, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);

	return ebx == XEN_CPUID_TSC_MODE_NEVER_EMULATE;
}

I didn't have the full context and was just looking at the condition.
Now I checked the full context and I think that except for the

	if (check_tsc_unstable())

check everything else can go away unless you do not trust the hypervisor
that it only sets the NEVER_EMULATE bit when CONSTANT and NONSTOP are
set as well. But yeah, you might prefer to be paranoid. It's virt after
all.

Thanks,

        tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-21  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-20 17:16 [PATCH linux-next 0/2] x86/xen TSC related cleanups Krister Johansen
2023-02-20 17:16 ` [PATCH linux-next 1/2] xen: update arch/x86/include/asm/xen/cpuid.h Krister Johansen
2023-02-20 17:17 ` [PATCH linux-next 2/2] x86/xen/time: cleanup xen_tsc_safe_clocksource Krister Johansen
2023-02-20 22:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-21  4:14     ` Krister Johansen
2023-02-21  5:51       ` Krister Johansen
2023-02-21  8:47         ` Juergen Gross
2023-02-21 17:22           ` Krister Johansen
2023-02-21  9:14         ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-02-21 17:21           ` Krister Johansen
2023-02-23 14:34       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-02-23 17:18         ` Krister Johansen

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