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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
Cc: Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Bill Wendling <morbo@google.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, llvm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ntp: remove accidental integer wrap-around
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 10:18:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8734q19glf.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZlRDoyJk2Erzje_z@localhost>

On Mon, May 27 2024 at 10:26, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 02:44:19PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> On Fri, May 24 2024 at 14:09, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> > So instead of turning the clock back, we might be better off to actually
>> > put the normalization in place at the assignment:
>> >
>> >     time_maxerror = min(max(0, txc->maxerror), NTP_PHASE_LIMIT);
>> >
>> > or something like that.
>
> Yes, I think that's a better approach. Failing the system call could
> break existing applications, e.g. ntpd can be configured to accept a
> large root distance and it doesn't clamp the maxerror value, while
> updating the PLL offset in the same adjtimex() call.

Thanks for confirming. I suspected that, but the original change logs
are pretty useless in that regard.

>> So that commit also removed the sanity check for time_esterror, but
>> that's not doing anything in the kernel other than being reset in
>> clear_ntp() and being handed back to user space. No idea what this is
>> actually used for.
>
> It's a lower-bound estimate of the clock error, which applications can
> check if it's acceptable for them. I think it should be clamped too.
> It doesn't make much sense for it to be larger than the maximum error.

Ok.

> Another possible improvement of adjtimex() would be to set the UNSYNC
> flag immediately in the call if maxerror >= 16s to avoid the delay of
> up to 1 second for applications which check only that flag instead of
> the maxerror value.

That needs to be a seperate change.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-29  8:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-17 20:22 [PATCH v2] ntp: remove accidental integer wrap-around Justin Stitt
2024-05-24 12:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 12:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-27  8:26     ` Miroslav Lichvar
2024-05-29  8:18       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2024-05-24 22:43   ` Justin Stitt
2024-05-24 22:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-05 14:22 ` [tip: timers/urgent] ntp: Clamp maxerror and esterror to operating range tip-bot2 for Justin Stitt

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