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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/18] net: mpls: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:17:08 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87373fj9bv.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4iErvcOOSkaQbMa=9OJCmxNO7sDqi3qzg2ODvKqCApULQ@mail.gmail.com> (Dan Williams's message of "Mon, 8 Jan 2018 19:42:14 -0800")

Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:

> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>> Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:
>>
>>> Static analysis reports that 'index' may be a user controlled value that
>>> is used as a data dependency reading 'rt' from the 'platform_label'
>>> array.  In order to avoid potential leaks of kernel memory values, block
>>> speculative execution of the instruction stream that could issue further
>>> reads based on an invalid 'rt' value.
>>
>>
>> In detail.
>> a) This code is fast path packet forwarding code.  Introducing an
>>    unconditional pipeline stall is not ok.
>>
>>    AKA either there is no speculation and so this is invulnerable
>>    or there is speculation and you are creating an unconditional
>>    pipeline stall here.
>>
>>    My back of the napkin caluculations say that a pipeline stall
>>    is about 20 cycles.  Which is about the same length of time
>>    as a modern cache miss.
>>
>>    On a good day this code will perform with 0 cache misses. On a less
>>    good day 1 cache miss.  Which means you are quite possibly doubling
>>    the runtime of mpls_forward.
>>
>> b) The array is dynamically allocated which should provide some
>>    protection, as it will be more difficult to predict the address
>>    of the array which is needed to craft an malicious userspace value.
>>
>> c) The code can be trivially modified to say:
>>
>> static struct mpls_route *mpls_route_input_rcu(struct net *net, unsigned index)
>> {
>>         struct mpls_route *rt = NULL;
>>
>>         if (index < net->mpls.platform_labels) {
>>                 struct mpls_route __rcu **platform_label =
>>                         rcu_dereference(net->mpls.platform_label);
>>                 rt = rcu_dereference(platform_label[index & ((1 << 20) - 1)]);
>>         }
>>         return rt;
>> }
>>
>> AKA a static mask will ensure that there is not a primitive that can be
>> used to access all of memory.  That is max a 1 cycle slowdown in the
>> code, which is a much better trade off.
>>
>> d) If we care more it is straight forward to modify
>>    resize_platform_label_table() to ensure that the size of the array
>>    is always a power of 2.
>>
>> e) The fact that a pointer is returned from the array and it is treated
>>    like a pointer would seem to provide a defense against the
>>    exfiltration technique of using the value read as an index into
>>    a small array, that user space code can probe aliased cached
>>    lines of, to see which value was dereferenced.
>>
>>
>> So to this patch in particular.
>> Nacked-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
>>
>> This code path will be difficult to exploit.  This change messes with
>> performance.  There are ways to make this code path useless while
>> preserving the performance of the code.
>>
>
> Thanks, Eric understood. The discussion over the weekend  came to the
> conclusion that using a mask will be the default approach. The
> nospec_array_ptr() will be defined to something similar to the
> following, originally from Linus and tweaked by Alexei and I:
>
> #define __nospec_array_ptr(base, idx, sz)                               \
> ({                                                                      \
>         union { typeof(&base[0]) _ptr; unsigned long _bit; } __u;       \
>         unsigned long _i = (idx);                                       \
>         unsigned long _m = (max);                                       \
>         unsigned long _mask = ~(long)(_m - 1 - _i) >> BITS_PER_LONG - 1;\
>         OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR(_mask);                                      \
>         __u._ptr = &base[_i & _mask];                                   \
>         __u._bit &= _mask;                                              \
>         __u._ptr;                                                       \
> })
>
> Does that address your performance concerns?

The user controlled value condition of your patchset implies that you
assume indirect branch predictor poisoning is handled in other ways.

Which means that we can assume speculation will take some variation of
the static call chain.

Further you are worrying about array accesses.  Which means you
are worried about attacks that are the equivalent of meltdown that
can give you reading of all memory available to the kernel.


The mpls code in question reads a pointer from memory.


The only thing the code does with that pointer is verify it is not NULL
and dereference it.

That does not make it possible to extricate the pointer bits via a cache
side-channel as a pointer is 64bits wide.

There might maybe be a timing attack where it is timed how long the
packet takes to deliver.  If you can find the base address of the array,
at best such a timeing attack will tell you is if some arbitrary cache
line is already cached in the kernel.  Which is not the class of attack
your patchset is worried about.  Further there are more direct ways
to probe the cache from a local process.

So I submit to you that the mpls code is not vulnerable to the class of
attack you are addressing.

Further I would argue that anything that reads a pointer from memory is
a very strong clue that it falls outside the class of code that you are
addressing.

Show me where I am wrong and I will consider patches.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-09 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06  1:09 [PATCH 00/18] prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:09 ` [PATCH 01/18] asm-generic/barrier: add generic nospec helpers Dan Williams
2018-01-06  2:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06  5:23     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:08       ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 02/18] Documentation: document " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 16:29   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-08 17:09     ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-08 21:19       ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 03/18] arm64: implement nospec_ptr() Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 04/18] arm: " Dan Williams
2018-01-10  2:04   ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-10  7:40     ` Hanjun Guo
2018-01-10 17:24       ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 05/18] x86: implement nospec_barrier() Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok Dan Williams
2018-01-06  2:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06  3:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 23:31       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07  1:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 21:09           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 23:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 23:53               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  5:47     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 12:32     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 17:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 18:13       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:29         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:39           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:54             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:25               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:36                 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:41                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 10:02                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-06 18:38         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 18:51           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:55             ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 20:09               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 20:22                 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 21:17                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 21:21                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-06 23:05                     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-07  3:38                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07  6:33                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 19:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:12                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:17                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:56                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08  2:23                                   ` David Miller
2018-01-08  7:38                                     ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 22:15                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:15                             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08  2:24                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08  9:51                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:21                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 12:00                             ` David Laight
2018-01-08 12:12                               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 12:33                                 ` David Laight
2018-01-07 10:08                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08  2:09                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07 13:59                         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08  2:57                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08  9:57                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-06 20:42           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07  1:36             ` David Miller
2018-01-07 17:19               ` James Bottomley
2018-01-07 18:31                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08  2:04                   ` David Miller
2018-01-07 19:24                 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-09 21:41     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:47       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 21:49         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:59           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 22:23             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 22:35               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 07/18] [media] uvcvideo: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06  9:09   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06  9:40     ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 17:41       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07  9:09         ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 19:37           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09  8:40       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 10:04         ` Greg KH
2018-01-09 14:26           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 14:47             ` Greg KH
2018-01-08 11:23   ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09  2:11     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 08/18] carl9170: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:23   ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 15:06     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 16:38       ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 16:34     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 09/18] p54: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 10/18] qla2xxx: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  9:03   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06  9:42     ` Greg KH
2018-01-11 22:15     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12  7:27       ` Greg KH
2018-01-12 15:25         ` James Bottomley
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 11/18] cw1200: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:10 ` [PATCH 12/18] Thermal/int340x: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:53   ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06  1:57     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:24       ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06 10:03   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 13/18] ipv6: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:48   ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-06 18:05     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 14/18] ipv4: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  9:00   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06  9:01   ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 12:23     ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 15:14       ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 16:29         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:10           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 15/18] vfs, fdtable: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:05   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 16/18] net: mpls: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:06   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-09  3:11   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09  3:42     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09  4:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09  4:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-10  0:48         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  1:33           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  1:57           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10  2:22             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  3:07               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10  3:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09 16:17       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-01-09 18:01         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10  0:54           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-10  1:31             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 17/18] udf: " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:20   ` Jan Kara
2018-01-06  1:11 ` [PATCH 18/18] userns: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06  2:22 ` [PATCH 00/18] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-06  6:30   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 11:14       ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-08 11:43       ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 11:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:33         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 16:20     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-06 18:56 ` Florian Fainelli
2018-01-06 18:59   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-06 19:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 20:07   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08  4:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-08 13:33   ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-09 19:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-09 19:44   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 20:55     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11  9:54       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-11 15:58         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-11 16:34           ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-01-13 11:33 ` QingFeng Hao

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