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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"Joel Fernandes (Google)" <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] tick-sched: Remove last_tick and calculate next tick from now
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:46:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874j4co98w.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZzKWvislBnjV9kpf@pavilion.home>

On Tue, Nov 12 2024 at 00:43, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Le Fri, Nov 08, 2024 at 05:48:34PM +0000, Joel Fernandes (Google) a écrit :

>> During tick restart, we use last_tick and forward it past now.
>>
>> Since we are forwarding past now, we can simply use now as a reference
>> instead of last_tick. This patch removes last_tick and does so.
>>
>> This patch potentially does more mul/imul than the existing code,
>> as sometimes forwarding past now need not be done if last_tick > now.
>> However, the patch is a cleanup which reduces LOC and reduces the size
>> of struct tick_sched.

May I politely ask you to read and follow the Documentation
vs. changelogs?

  https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/maintainer-tip.html#changelog

Also

git grep 'This patch' Documentation/process

might give you a hint.

>> -	/* Forward the time to expire in the future */
>> -	hrtimer_forward(&ts->sched_timer, now, TICK_NSEC);
>> +	hrtimer_set_expires(&ts->sched_timer, DIV_ROUND_UP_ULL(now, TICK_NSEC) * TICK_NSEC);

How is a division and multiplication in this hotpath helpful? That's
awfully slow on 32-bit machines and pointless on 64-bit too.

Using now is also wrong as it breaks the sched_skew_tick distribution by
aligning the tick on all CPUs again.

IOW, this "cleanup" is making things worse.

> We don't want to rewrite hrtimer_forward() but, after all, the current expiry is
> enough a relevant information.
>
> How about just this? It's worth it as it now forwards after the real last programmed
> tick, which should be close enough from @now with a delta below TICK_NSEC, or even
> better @now is below the expiry. Therefore it should resume as just a no-op
> or at worst an addition within hrtimer_forward():
>
> diff --git a/kernel/time/tick-sched.c b/kernel/time/tick-sched.c
> index 753a184c7090..ffd0c026a248 100644
> --- a/kernel/time/tick-sched.c
> +++ b/kernel/time/tick-sched.c
> @@ -838,7 +838,6 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(get_cpu_iowait_time_us);
>  static void tick_nohz_restart(struct tick_sched *ts, ktime_t now)
>  {
>  	hrtimer_cancel(&ts->sched_timer);
> -	hrtimer_set_expires(&ts->sched_timer, ts->last_tick);
>  
>  	/* Forward the time to expire in the future */
>  	hrtimer_forward(&ts->sched_timer, now, TICK_NSEC);

That's just wrong. ts->sched_timer.expires contains a tick in the
future. If tick_nohz_stop_tick() set it to 10 ticks in the future and
the CPU goes out of idle due to a device interrupt before the timer
expires, then hrtimer_forward() will do nothing because expires is ahead
of now.

Which means the CPU is not idle and has no tick until the delayed tick
which was set by tick_nohz_stop_tick() expires. Not really correct.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-12 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-08 17:48 [RFC 0/3] tick-sched cleanups Joel Fernandes (Google)
2024-11-08 17:48 ` [RFC 1/3] tick-sched: Remove last_tick and calculate next tick from now Joel Fernandes (Google)
2024-11-11 23:43   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-11-12 13:46     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2024-11-12 13:56       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-11-12 18:20       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-12 18:33     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-13 12:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-11-13 21:40         ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-08 17:48 ` [RFC 2/3] tick-sched: Keep tick on if hrtimer is due imminently Joel Fernandes (Google)
2024-11-11 12:37   ` Christian Loehle
2024-11-11 15:56     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-11 16:55       ` Christian Loehle
2024-11-11 17:17         ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-08 17:48 ` [RFC 3/3] tick-sched: Replace jiffie readout with idle_entrytime Joel Fernandes (Google)
2024-11-10 22:55   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-12 14:48     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-11-13 21:46       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-11 22:25   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-11-13 22:39     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-11-12 14:30   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-11-13 22:18     ` Joel Fernandes

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