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From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Rachel Menge <rachelmenge@linux.microsoft.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	 Wei Fu <fuweid89@gmail.com>,
	apais@linux.microsoft.com,
	 Sudhanva Huruli <Sudhanva.Huruli@microsoft.com>,
	 Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	 Mike Christie <michael.christie@oracle.com>,
	 Joel Granados <j.granados@samsung.com>,
	Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	 "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	 Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	 Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	 Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	 Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	 Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	 Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	 Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] zap_pid_ns_processes: don't send SIGKILL to sub-threads
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:23:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874j9wolpy.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240613150001.GB18218@redhat.com> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Thu, 13 Jun 2024 17:00:02 +0200")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:

> On 06/13, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>> > The comment above the idr_for_each_entry_continue() loop tries to explain
>> > why we have to signal each thread in the namespace, but it is outdated.
>> > This code no longer uses kill_proc_info(), we have a target task so we can
>> > check thread_group_leader() and avoid the unnecessary group_send_sig_info.
>> > Better yet, we can change pid_task() to use PIDTYPE_TGID rather than _PID,
>> > this way it returns NULL if this pid is not a group-leader pid.
>> >
>> > Also, change this code to check SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT, the exiting process /
>> > thread doesn't necessarily has a pending SIGKILL. Either way these checks
>> > are racy without siglock, so the patch uses data_race() to shut up KCSAN.
>>
>> You remove the comment but the meat of what it was trying to say remains
>> true.  For processes in a session or processes is a process group a list
>> of all such processes is kept.  No such list is kept for a pid
>> namespace.  So the best we can do is walk through the allocated pid
>> numbers in the pid namespace.
>
> OK, I'll recheck tomorrow. Yet I think it doesn't make sense to send
> SIGKILL to sub-threads, and the comment looks misleading today. This was
> the main motivation, but again, I'll recheck.

Yes, we only need to send SIGKILL to only one thread.
Of course there are a few weird cases with zombie leader threads,
but I think the pattern you are using handles them.

>> It would also help if this explains that in the case of SIGKILL
>> complete_signal always sets SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT which makes that a good
>> check to use to see if the process has been killed (with SIGKILL).
>
> Well, if SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT is set we do not care if this process was
> killed or not. It (the whole thread group) is going to exit, that is all.
>
> We can even remove this check, it is just the optimization, just like
> the current fatal_signal_pending() check.

I just meant that the optimization is effective because
group_send_sig_info calls complete_signal which sets SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT.

Which makes it an almost 100% accurate test, which makes it a very
good optimization.  Especially in the case of multi-threaded processes
where the code will arrive there for every thread.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-13 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-05 23:42 [RCU] zombie task hung in synchronize_rcu_expedited Rachel Menge
2024-06-06 11:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-06 15:45   ` Wei Fu
2024-06-06 17:28     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-07  3:02       ` Wei Fu
2024-06-07  6:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-07 15:04           ` Wei Fu
2024-06-07 21:22             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-08 12:42               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10  0:07                 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-08 12:06 ` [PATCH] zap_pid_ns_processes: clear TIF_NOTIFY_SIGNAL along with TIF_SIGPENDING Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-08 17:00   ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-09 14:12   ` Wei Fu
2024-06-12 16:57   ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-13 12:40   ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-13 14:02     ` Wei Fu
2024-06-13 14:49       ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 15:30     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-08 15:48 ` [PATCH] zap_pid_ns_processes: don't send SIGKILL to sub-threads Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 13:01   ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-13 15:00     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 16:23       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2024-07-05 16:08       ` Oleg Nesterov

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