From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] zap_pid_ns_processes: don't send SIGKILL to sub-threads
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:23:37 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874j9wolpy.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240613150001.GB18218@redhat.com> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Thu, 13 Jun 2024 17:00:02 +0200")
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
> On 06/13, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>> > The comment above the idr_for_each_entry_continue() loop tries to explain
>> > why we have to signal each thread in the namespace, but it is outdated.
>> > This code no longer uses kill_proc_info(), we have a target task so we can
>> > check thread_group_leader() and avoid the unnecessary group_send_sig_info.
>> > Better yet, we can change pid_task() to use PIDTYPE_TGID rather than _PID,
>> > this way it returns NULL if this pid is not a group-leader pid.
>> >
>> > Also, change this code to check SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT, the exiting process /
>> > thread doesn't necessarily has a pending SIGKILL. Either way these checks
>> > are racy without siglock, so the patch uses data_race() to shut up KCSAN.
>>
>> You remove the comment but the meat of what it was trying to say remains
>> true. For processes in a session or processes is a process group a list
>> of all such processes is kept. No such list is kept for a pid
>> namespace. So the best we can do is walk through the allocated pid
>> numbers in the pid namespace.
>
> OK, I'll recheck tomorrow. Yet I think it doesn't make sense to send
> SIGKILL to sub-threads, and the comment looks misleading today. This was
> the main motivation, but again, I'll recheck.
Yes, we only need to send SIGKILL to only one thread.
Of course there are a few weird cases with zombie leader threads,
but I think the pattern you are using handles them.
>> It would also help if this explains that in the case of SIGKILL
>> complete_signal always sets SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT which makes that a good
>> check to use to see if the process has been killed (with SIGKILL).
>
> Well, if SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT is set we do not care if this process was
> killed or not. It (the whole thread group) is going to exit, that is all.
>
> We can even remove this check, it is just the optimization, just like
> the current fatal_signal_pending() check.
I just meant that the optimization is effective because
group_send_sig_info calls complete_signal which sets SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT.
Which makes it an almost 100% accurate test, which makes it a very
good optimization. Especially in the case of multi-threaded processes
where the code will arrive there for every thread.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-13 16:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-05 23:42 [RCU] zombie task hung in synchronize_rcu_expedited Rachel Menge
2024-06-06 11:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-06 15:45 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-06 17:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-07 3:02 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-07 6:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-07 15:04 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-07 21:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-08 12:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 0:07 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-08 12:06 ` [PATCH] zap_pid_ns_processes: clear TIF_NOTIFY_SIGNAL along with TIF_SIGPENDING Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-08 17:00 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-09 14:12 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-12 16:57 ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-13 12:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-13 14:02 ` Wei Fu
2024-06-13 14:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 15:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-08 15:48 ` [PATCH] zap_pid_ns_processes: don't send SIGKILL to sub-threads Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 13:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-13 15:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 16:23 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2024-07-05 16:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
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