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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, pagupta@redhat.com,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 4/6] virtio-net: add basic interrupt coalescing support
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:49:25 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874mqma6gy.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150213191918.0caf0d9a.cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>

Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com> writes:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:22:09 +1030
> Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> writes:
>> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:02:37PM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
>> >> Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> writes:
>> >> > This patch enables the interrupt coalescing setting through ethtool.
>> >> 
>> >> The problem is that there's nothing network specific about interrupt
>> >> coalescing.  I can see other devices wanting exactly the same thing,
>> >> which means we'd deprecate this in the next virtio standard.
>> >> 
>> >> I think the right answer is to extend like we did with
>> >> vring_used_event(), eg:
>> >> 
>> >> 1) Add a new feature VIRTIO_F_RING_COALESCE.
>> >> 2) Add another a 32-bit field after vring_used_event(), eg:
>> >>         #define vring_used_delay(vr) (*(u32 *)((vr)->avail->ring[(vr)->num + 2]))
>> >> 
>> >> This loses the ability to coalesce by number of frames, but we can still
>> >> do number of sg entries, as we do now with used_event, and we could
>> >> change virtqueue_enable_cb_delayed() to take a precise number if we
>> >> wanted.
>> >
>> > But do we expect delay to be update dynamically?
>> > If not, why not stick it in config space?
>> 
>> Hmm, we could update it dynamically (and will, in the case of ethtool).
>> But it won't be common, so we could append a field to
>> virtio_pci_common_cfg for PCI.
>> 
>> I think MMIO and CCW would be easy to extend too, but CC'd to check.
>
> If this is a simple extension of the config space, it should just work
> for ccw (the Linux guest driver currently uses 0x100 as max config
> space size, which I grabbed from pci at the time I wrote it).
>
> But looking at this virtio_pci_common_cfg stuff, it seems to contain a
> lot of things that are handled via ccws on virtio-ccw (like number of
> queues or device status). Having an extra ccw just for changing this
> delay value seems like overkill.

Yes, possibly.

> On the basic topic of interrupt coalescing: With adapter interrupts,
> virtio-ccw already has some kind of coalescing: The summary indicator
> is set just once and an interrupt is made pending, then individual
> queue indicators are switched on and no further interrupt is generated
> if the summary indicator has not been cleared by the guest yet. I'm not
> sure how it would be different if an individual queue indicator is
> switched on later. Chances are that the guest code processing the
> indicators has not even yet processed to that individual indicator, so
> it wouldn't matter if it was set delayed. It is probably something that
> has to be tried out.

The network driver will do this at the virtio level too: no more rx
interrupts will be received until all packets have been processed.

But it is particularly useful for network transmit interrupts: we want
to be notified of the packet's finishing, but a little delay (hence more
batching) is better.  For rx, I can envision a case where the guest is
too fast and thus keeps getting interrupted after each packet.  A user
might decide to trade off some latency to increase batching; seems
like a bit like a benchmark hack to me, though...

Cheers,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-16  4:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-09  8:39 [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 0/6] enable tx interrupts for virtio-net Jason Wang
2015-02-09  8:39 ` [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 1/6] virtio_ring: fix virtqueue_enable_cb() when only 1 buffers were pending Jason Wang
2015-02-10  1:03   ` Rusty Russell
2015-02-10  6:26     ` Jason Wang
2015-02-10 10:18     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-02-10 23:58       ` Rusty Russell
2015-02-11  5:41       ` Jason Wang
2015-02-09  8:39 ` [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 2/6] virtio_ring: try to disable event index callbacks in virtqueue_disable_cb() Jason Wang
2015-02-10  1:07   ` Rusty Russell
2015-02-10 10:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-02-11  5:55     ` Jason Wang
2015-02-09  8:39 ` [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 3/6] virtio_net: enable tx interrupt Jason Wang
2015-02-09  8:39 ` [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 4/6] virtio-net: add basic interrupt coalescing support Jason Wang
2015-02-10  1:32   ` Rusty Russell
2015-02-10  6:51     ` Jason Wang
2015-02-10 10:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-02-10 10:40     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-02-13  2:52       ` Rusty Russell
2015-02-13 12:41         ` Pawel Moll
2015-02-16  3:07           ` Rusty Russell
2015-02-13 18:19         ` Cornelia Huck
2015-02-16  3:19           ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2015-02-09  8:39 ` [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 5/6] vhost: let vhost_signal() returns whether signalled Jason Wang
2015-02-09  8:39 ` [PATCH RFC v5 net-next 6/6] vhost_net: interrupt coalescing support Jason Wang

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