From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
To: Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
Cc: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>,
Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Ceph Development <ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alex Elder <elder@kernel.org>, Sage Weil <sage@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:43:42 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8760pop63l.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160922112407.47da9393@endymion>
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016, Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 23:32:03 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
>> On Tue, 2016-09-20 at 07:53 +0200, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> > I think it is better to be clear. CHECK was never really clear to me,
>> > especially if you see it in isolation, on a file that doesn't also have
>> > ERROR or WARNING. NITS is a common word in this context, but not FLEAS
>> > and GNATS, as far as I know.
>> > There could also be a severity level: high medium and low
>>
>> I agree clarity is good.
>>
>> The seriousness with which some beginners take these message
>> types though is troublesome,
>
> You need to think in terms of actual use cases. Who uses checkpatch and
> why? I think there are 3 groups of users:
> * Beginners. They won't run the script by themselves, instead they will
> submit a patch which infringes a lot of coding style rules, and the
> maintainer will point them to checkpatch and ask for a resubmission
> which makes checkpatch happy. Being beginners, they can only rely on
> the script itself to only report things which need to be fixed, by
> default.
> * Experienced developers. Who simply want to make sure they did not
> overlook anything before they post their work for review. They have
> the knowledge to decide if they want to ignore some of the warnings.
> * People with too much spare time, looking for anything they could
> "contribute" to the kernel. They will use --subjective and piss off
> every maintainer they can find.
>
> Sadly there's not much we can do about the third category, short of
> killing option --subjective altogether.
You could make checkpatch have different defaults for patches and files,
to encourage better style in new code, but to discourage finding
problems in existing code.
BR,
Jani.
>
> The default settings should work out of the box for for the first
> category.
>
>> Maybe prefix various different types of style messages.
>>
>> Something like:
>>
>> ERROR -> CODE_STYLE_DEFECT
>> WARNING -> CODE_STYLE_UNPREFERRED
>> CHECK -> CODE_STYLE_NIT
>
> I don't think you clarify anything with these changes, as they do not
> carry the requirement from a submitter's perspective. If you really
> want to change the names, I would rather suggest:
>
> ERROR -> MUST_FIX
> WARNING -> SHOULD_FIX
> CHECK -> MAY_FIX
>
> Or explain the categories in plain English, see below.
>
>> I doubt additional external documentation would help much.
>
> I agree. If anything needs to be explained, it should be included in
> the output of checkpatch directly. For example, if any ERROR was
> printed, include the following after the count summary:
>
> "ERROR means the code is infringing a core coding style rule. This MUST
> be fixed before the patch is submitted upstream."
>
> And if any WARNING was printed, include the following:
>
> "WARNING means the code is not following the best practice. This SHOULD
> be fixed before the patch is submitted upstream, unless the maintainer
> agreed otherwise."
>
> Not sure if we need something for CHECK, as these messages are not
> printed by default so I'd assume people who get them know what they
> asked for. But apparently these confused Julia so maybe a similar
> explanation would be needed for them too.
--
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Technology Center
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-22 10:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-19 11:53 "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Ilya Dryomov
2016-09-20 0:11 ` Al Viro
2016-09-20 2:46 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-20 5:53 ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-20 6:32 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-20 6:46 ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-22 9:24 ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 10:42 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 11:57 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 13:11 ` Al Viro
2016-09-22 14:58 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 15:05 ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-22 17:50 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 17:49 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 19:47 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 10:43 ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2016-09-22 12:46 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 13:06 ` Jani Nikula
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