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From: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	rjw@sisk.pl, a1426z@gawab.com, jeremy@goop.org, pavel@ucw.cz,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Hibernation Redesign
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:16:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87644rcc7a.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707112211.23420.nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> (Nigel Cunningham's message of "Wed\, 11 Jul 2007 22\:11\:22 +1000")

Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> writes:

[snip]

> No other _proper_ solutions have been proposed. Everyone who suggests removing 
> the freezer also suggests implementing it all over again. It might be sending 
> SIGSTOP to everything. It might be shifting the desk chairs around and 
> creating a completely new kernel context, but they always have the same 
> goal - stopping the existing activity, and they all come with their own 
> issues (even if they're not obvious yet because the alternatives are 
> currently vapourware to one extent or another).

I'll certainly admit the kexec idea is vaporware currently, but it does
differ in a significant way from freezer-based approaches, such that I
don't think it should be referred to as just another implementation of a
freezer.  Specifically, it doesn't require that the "old kernel" be in a
"consistent" state to a greater extent than suspend to ram; it is the
case that all of the devices must be quiesced or shut down to some
extent, but doing this without races and deadlocks (and without the
freezer) is certainly very, very similar to what needs to be done for
suspend to ram, which will need to be solved anyway.  Unlike the
existing hibernate approaches, however, it will not be necessary to use
any of the driver infrastructure once switched to the "save image"
kernel, and thus it will not matter what locks are held, for instance.

[snip]

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-11 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-08 14:37 Hibernation Redesign (was: malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM) Al Boldi
2007-07-09  4:11 ` Hibernation Redesign Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:29   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  4:36     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:45       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  4:54         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:58           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  5:33             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  6:22           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-09 13:45       ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 14:02         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 14:26           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09 15:09             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 15:27               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:39     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09 13:52       ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 15:30         ` Al Boldi
2007-07-10  1:29           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  2:28           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-10 14:57             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-10 17:25               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-10 22:59                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-11  4:11                   ` Al Boldi
2007-07-11 10:27                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 10:42                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 11:04                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 11:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 11:50                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 11:54                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:00                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:09                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:17                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:27                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 12:29                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 21:04                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12  9:15                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 22:13                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:19                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 12:49                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 21:06                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 12:11                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:24                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:46                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:55                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 13:16                               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard [this message]
2007-07-11 20:48                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-11 21:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 22:17                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-07-11 22:34                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 23:12                                       ` Al Boldi
2007-07-11 23:31                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-12  3:11                                           ` Al Boldi
2007-07-12 13:20                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16  6:04                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-12 20:29                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-11 23:46                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 17:55                               ` david
2007-07-11 22:54                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 17:45               ` Al Boldi
2007-07-10 18:20                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

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