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From: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 12/26] ext2 white-out support
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:15:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878x8tkdko.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070802175008.GA12627@lazybastard.org> ("Jörn Engel"'s message of "Thu\, 2 Aug 2007 19\:50\:09 +0200")

Jörn Engel <joern@logfs.org> writes:

> On Wed, 1 August 2007 15:33:30 -0400, Josef Sipek wrote:
>> 
>> This brings up an very interesting (but painful) question...which makes more
>> sense? Allowing the modifications in only the top-most branch, or any branch
>> (given the user allows it at mount-time)?
>> 
>> This is really question to the community at large, not just you, Dave :)

> Only write to top-most layer.

> There are two reasons for this.  First it allows users to create a union
> mount, test something (e.g. update the distribution) and remove every
> trace from the test by umounting the top-most layer.  Such a thing can
> be quite valuable.

Josef did specifically state that modification to the lower layers would
be allowed only if a special mount flag is given.

> The second reason is simplicity.  I personally couldn't even start to
> describe the semantics.  If the user does a rename, which layer will the
> change end up in?  What if source or target exist in multiple layers?
> How to rename a directory in a lower layer containing a new file in an
> upper layer?

> Finding new and interesting corner cases for such a beast can be quite
> entertaining.  And until someone has properly documented the semantics
> for _all_ the corner cases, my enthusiasm is below freezing point.  Does
> such a documentation exist?

I think that if someone can come up with consistent (and useful)
semantics for a mount option that allows modifications to other layers
as well, it would be a useful additional feature to support.  It seems
that it should be possible to add this feature at a later time in any
case.

Perhaps referring to the plan9 semantics could be helpful.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-02 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-30 16:13 [RFC 00/26] VFS based Union Mount (V2) Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 01/26] [PATCH 14/18] shmem: convert to using splice instead of sendfile() Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 02/26] VFS: Export dput_path() and path_to_nameidata() Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 03/26] VFS: Make lookup_hash() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 04/26] VFS: Make lookup_create() " Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 05/26] VFS: cache_lookup() cleanup Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 06/26] VFS: Make real_lookup() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 07/26] VFS: Introduce dput() variante that maintains a kill-list Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 08/26] VFS: Export lives_below_in_same_fs() Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 09/26] linux/stat.h: Add the filetype white-out Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 10/26] VFS white-out handling Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 11/26] tmpfs white-out support Jan Blunck
2007-08-01 15:13   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-08-02  2:48     ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 12/26] ext2 " Jan Blunck
2007-07-31  3:45   ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-31  7:44     ` Jan Blunck
2007-07-31  8:32       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-31  9:08         ` Jan Blunck
2007-07-31 10:53       ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-02 19:31         ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 16:36   ` Josef Sipek
2007-07-31 17:00     ` Jan Blunck
2007-07-31 17:11       ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 15:23         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-01 18:44           ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 19:10             ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-01 19:33               ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 19:52                 ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-01 22:06                   ` Erez Zadok
2007-08-02 12:05                     ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-02 11:55                 ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-02 17:50                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-02 18:15                   ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard [this message]
2007-08-02  5:24             ` Ph. Marek
2007-08-02 12:12               ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-02 10:26         ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-01 10:00       ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2007-08-01 11:43         ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 18:01         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-31 17:03     ` Mark Williamson
2007-07-31 17:16       ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 17:58     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-08-01 18:03       ` Josef Sipek
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 13/26] ext3 whiteout support Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 14/26] union-mount: Documentation Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 15/26] union-mount: Add union-mount mount flag Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 16/26] union-mount: Introduce union_mount structure Jan Blunck
2007-08-06  5:57   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 17/26] union-mount: Drive the union cache via dcache Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 18/26] union-mount: Changes to the namespace handling Jan Blunck
2007-08-08 10:10   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 19/26] union-mount: Make lookup work for union-mounted file systems Jan Blunck
2007-08-09  5:42   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 20/26] union-mount: Simple union-mount readdir implementation Jan Blunck
2007-08-06 11:08   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 21/26] union-mount: in-kernel file copy between union mounted filesystems Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 22/26] union-mount: white-out changes for copy-on-open Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 23/26] union-mount: copyup on rename Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 24/26] union-mount: dont report EROFS for union mounts Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 25/26] union-mount: Debug Infrastructure Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 26/26] union-mount: Debug code Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 18:23 ` [RFC 00/26] VFS based Union Mount (V2) Al Boldi
2007-08-02  6:49 ` Bharata B Rao
2007-08-02 10:17   ` Jan Blunck

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