From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
"Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org"
<Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sultan@kerneltoast.com
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] signal: break out of wait loops on kthread_stop()
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:22:39 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a64brlao.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d47b30e9-5619-c631-aa92-f5d89e88a909@linux.intel.com> (Tvrtko Ursulin's message of "Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:45:49 +0100")
Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com> writes:
> On 19/10/2022 21:19, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 09:09:28PM +0100, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
>>> Hm why is kthread_stop() after kthread_run() abuse? I don't see it in
>>> kerneldoc that it must not be used for stopping threads.
>> Because you don't want it to stop. You want to wait until it's done. If
>> you call stop right after run, it will even stop it before it even
>> begins to run. That's why you wind up sprinkling your msleeps
>> everywhere, indicating that clearly this is not meant to work that way.
> Not after kthread_run which wakes it up already. If the kerneldoc for
> kthread_stop() is correct at least... In which case I really do think
> that the yields are pointless/red herring. Perhaps they predate kthread_run and
> then they were even wrong.
>
>>> Yep the yields and sleeps are horrible and will go. But they are also
>>> not relevant for the topic at hand.
>> Except they very much are. The reason you need these is because you're
>> using kthread_stop() for something it's not meant to do.
>
> It is supposed to assert kthread_should_stop() which thread can look at as when
> to exit. Except that now it can fail to get to that controlled exit
> point. Granted that argument is moot since it implies incomplete error handling
> in the thread anyway.
>
> Btw there are actually two use cases in our code base. One is thread controls
> the exit, second is caller controls the exit. Anyway...
>
>>> Never mind, I was not looking for anything more than a suggestion on how
>>> to maybe work around it in piece as someone is dealing with the affected
>>> call sites.
>> Sultan's kthread_work idea is probably the right direction. This would
>> seem to have what you need.
>
> ... yes, it can be converted. Even though for one of the two use cases we need
> explicit signalling. There now isn't anything which would assert
> kthread_should_stop() without also asserting the signal, right?. Neither
> I found that the thread work API can do it.
>
> Fingers crossed we were the only "abusers" of the API. There's a quite a number
> of kthread_stop callers and it would be a large job to audit them all.
I have been out and am coming to this late. Did this get resolved?
I really don't expect this affected much of anything else as the code
sat in linux-next for an entire development cycle before being merged.
But I would like to make certain problems with this change were resolved.
Thank you,
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-28 18:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-19 13:31 signal: break out of wait loops on kthread_stop() Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-10-19 16:00 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-19 16:01 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-19 17:57 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-10-19 18:16 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-19 19:05 ` Sultan Alsawaf
2022-10-19 20:09 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-10-19 20:19 ` [Intel-gfx] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-20 13:45 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-11-28 18:22 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2022-11-28 18:27 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-11-30 15:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
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