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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: "Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
Cc: "Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
	aliceryhl@google.com, dakr@kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Marek Szyprowski" <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com, iommu@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 2/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 14:00:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjuil15w.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3202F69F-397E-4BC4-8DD8-E2D4B0AB056F@collabora.com> (Daniel Almeida's message of "Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:12:05 -0300")

"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com> writes:

> Hi Benno,
>

[...]

>>> +    /// Writes data to the region starting from `offset`. `offset` is in units of `T`, not the
>>> +    /// number of bytes.
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// # Examples
>>> +    ///
>>> +    /// ```
>>> +    /// # fn test(alloc: &mut kernel::dma::CoherentAllocation<u8>) -> Result {
>>> +    /// let somedata: [u8; 4] = [0xf; 4];
>>> +    /// let buf: &[u8] = &somedata;
>>> +    /// alloc.write(buf, 0)?;
>>> +    /// # Ok::<(), Error>(()) }
>>> +    /// ```
>>> +    pub fn write(&self, src: &[T], offset: usize) -> Result {
>>> +        let end = offset.checked_add(src.len()).ok_or(EOVERFLOW)?;
>>> +        if end >= self.count {
>>> +            return Err(EINVAL);
>>> +        }
>>> +        // SAFETY:
>>> +        // - The pointer is valid due to type invariant on `CoherentAllocation`
>>> +        // and we've just checked that the range and index is within bounds.
>>> +        // - `offset` can't overflow since it is smaller than `self.count` and we've checked
>>> +        // that `self.count` won't overflow early in the constructor.
>>> +        unsafe {
>>> +            core::ptr::copy_nonoverlapping(src.as_ptr(), self.cpu_addr.add(offset), src.len())
>>
>> Why are there no concurrent write or read operations on `cpu_addr`?
>
> Sorry, can you rephrase this question?

This write is suffering the same complications as discussed here [1].
There are multiple issues with this implementation.

1) `write` takes a shared reference and thus may be called concurrently.
There is no synchronization, so `copy_nonoverlapping` could be called
concurrently on the same address. The safety requirements for
`copy_nonoverlapping` state that the destination must be valid for
write. Alice claims in [1] that any memory area that experience data
races are not valid for writes. So the safety requirement of
`copy_nonoverlapping` is violated and this call is potential UB.

2) The destination of this write is DMA memory. It could be concurrently
modified by hardware, leading to the same issues as 1). Thus the
function cannot be safe if we cannot guarantee hardware will not write
to the region while this function is executing.

Now, I don't think that these _should_ be issues, but according to our
Rust language experts they _are_.

I really think that copying data through a raw pointer to or from a
place that experiences data races, should _not_ be UB if the data is not
interpreted in any way, other than moving it.


Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg



[1] https://rust-for-linux.zulipchat.com/#narrow/channel/291565-Help/topic/Interacting.20with.20user.20space.20pages



  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-03 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 11:49 [PATCH v12 0/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 11:49 ` [PATCH v12 1/3] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:11   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 11:49 ` [PATCH v12 2/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:21   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-24 16:27     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:30   ` QUENTIN BOYER
2025-02-24 16:30     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 14:40   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 16:27     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 22:35       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-28  8:35       ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-28 10:01         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 20:07   ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 21:40     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 23:12     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-03-03 13:00       ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2025-03-03 13:13         ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-03 15:21           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 15:44             ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-03 18:45               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 19:00               ` Allow data races on some read/write operations Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 20:08                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-04 19:03                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-04 20:18                     ` comex
2025-03-05  3:24                       ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-05 13:10                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 13:23                           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-05 13:27                             ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 14:40                               ` Robin Murphy
2025-03-05 18:43                               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 19:30                                 ` Alan Stern
2025-03-05 19:42                                 ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 21:26                                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 21:53                                     ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-07  8:43                                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-18 14:44                                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 18:41                             ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 14:25                           ` Daniel Almeida
2025-03-05 18:38                           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 22:01                             ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-04  8:28           ` [PATCH v12 2/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-25  8:15     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-25  9:09       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-24 22:05   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-25  8:15     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-03 11:30   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-04  8:58     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-03 13:08   ` Robin Murphy
2025-03-05 17:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 13:37     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-06 15:21       ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 15:49         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-06 15:54         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-06 16:18           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 16:34             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 10:20               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 16:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07  8:50           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 10:18             ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 12:48             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 13:16               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 14:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 17:30                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 18:02                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-07 16:09               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 16:57                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 19:03                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 11:49 ` [PATCH v12 3/3] MAINTAINERS: add entry for Rust dma mapping helpers device driver API Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:10   ` Andreas Hindborg

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