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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Anna-Maria Behnsen" <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	"Frederic Weisbecker" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Guangbo Cui" <2407018371@qq.com>,
	"Dirk Behme" <dirk.behme@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@gmail.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 01/13] rust: hrtimer: introduce hrtimer support
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:44:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjunr7j0.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o6yneqkz.ffs@tglx> (Thomas Gleixner's message of "Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:31:40 +0100")

"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de> writes:

> On Mon, Feb 24 2025 at 13:03, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>> This patch adds support for intrusive use of the hrtimer system. For
>> now,
>
> git grep 'This patch' Documentation/process/

I was made aware and have change the mood to imperative for next spin.

>
>> only one timer can be embedded in a Rust struct.
>>
>> +//! ## State Diagram
>> +//!
>> +//! ```text
>> +//!                                                   Return NoRestart
>> +//!                       +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> +//!                       |                                                                     |
>> +//!                       |                                                                     |
>> +//!                       |                                                                     |
>> +//!                       |                                         Return Restart              |
>> +//!                       |                                      +------------------------+     |
>> +//!                       |                                      |                        |     |
>> +//!                       |                                      |                        |     |
>> +//!                       v                                      v                        |     |
>> +//!           +-----------------+      Start      +------------------+           +--------+-----+--+
>> +//!           |                 +---------------->|                  |           |                 |
>> +//! Init      |                 |                 |                  |  Expire   |                 |
>> +//! --------->|    Stopped      |                 |      Started     +---------->|     Running     |
>> +//!           |                 |     Cancel      |                  |           |                 |
>> +//!           |                 |<----------------+                  |           |                 |
>> +//!           +-----------------+                 +---------------+--+           +-----------------+
>> +//!                                                     ^         |
>> +//!                                                     |         |
>> +//!                                                     +---------+
>> +//!                                                      Restart
>> +//! ```
>> +//!
>> +//!
>> +//! A timer is initialized in the **stopped** state. A stopped timer can be
>> +//! **started** by the `start` operation, with an **expiry** time. After the
>> +//! `start` operation, the timer is in the **started** state. When the timer
>> +//! **expires**, the timer enters the **running** state and the handler is
>> +//! executed. After the handler has finished executing, the timer may enter the
>> +//! **started* or **stopped** state, depending on the return value of the
>> +//! handler. A running timer can be **canceled** by the `cancel` operation. A
>> +//! timer that is cancelled enters the **stopped** state.
>> +//!
>> +//! A `cancel` or `restart` operation on a timer in the **running** state takes
>> +//! effect after the handler has finished executing and the timer has transitioned
>> +//! out of the **running** state.
>> +//!
>> +//! A `restart` operation on a timer in the **stopped** state is equivalent to a
>> +//! `start` operation.
>
> Nice explanation!

Thanks.

>
>> +    /// Cancel an initialized and potentially running timer.
>> +    ///
>> +    /// If the timer handler is running, this will block until the handler is
>> +    /// finished.
>> +    ///
>> +    /// Users of the `HrTimer` API would not usually call this method directly.
>> +    /// Instead they would use the safe [`HrTimerHandle::cancel`] on the handle
>> +    /// returned when the timer was started.
>> +    ///
>> +    /// This function does not create any references.
>> +    ///
>> +    /// # Safety
>> +    ///
>> +    /// `self_ptr` must point to a valid `Self`.
>> +    #[allow(dead_code)]
>> +    pub(crate) unsafe fn raw_cancel(self_ptr: *const Self) -> bool {
>> +        // SAFETY: timer_ptr points to an allocation of at least `HrTimer` size.
>> +        let c_timer_ptr = unsafe { HrTimer::raw_get(self_ptr) };
>> +
>> +        // If the handler is running, this will wait for the handler to finish
>> +        // before returning.
>> +        // SAFETY: `c_timer_ptr` is initialized and valid. Synchronization is
>> +        // handled on C side.
>
> You might want to be more explicit about the provided synchronization.
> The hrtimer core only guarantees that operations on the hrtimer object
> are strictly serialized. But it does not provide any guarantee about
> external concurrency. The following case cannot be handled by the core:
>
>          T0                         T1
>          cancel()                   start()
>            lock()
>            ....                     lock() <- contended
>            dequeue()
>            unlock()
>                                     enqueue()
>                                     unlock()
>
> So there is no guarantee for T0 that the timer is actually canceled in
> this case. The hrtimer core can do nothing about this, that's a problem
> of the call sites.

Right, this was also my understanding. I can add a note about this race.

> We've implemented timer_shutdown() for the timer wheel timers, which
> prevents that the timer can be started after shutdown() succeeds. It
> might be a good thing to implement this for hrtimers as well.

Sounds like that would be useful.



Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg





  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-27 11:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 12:03 [PATCH v9 00/13] hrtimer Rust API Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 01/13] rust: hrtimer: introduce hrtimer support Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 13:19   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 15:46     ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-24 16:23       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 16:31         ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-24 16:45           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 17:01             ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-24 18:58               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 19:18                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-24 19:52                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 20:22                     ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-25  5:50                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-26 16:31                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-26 19:41                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 20:04   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-02-25  8:52     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-25 15:37       ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-02-25 19:12         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-25 20:13           ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-02-26 11:48             ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-26 15:29               ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-07  9:09                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-25 11:36   ` Markus Elfring
2025-02-25 12:13     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-27  8:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-27 10:44     ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 02/13] rust: sync: add `Arc::as_ptr` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 03/13] rust: hrtimer: implement `HrTimerPointer` for `Arc` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:13   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 04/13] rust: hrtimer: allow timer restart from timer handler Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:23   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-25  8:58     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-25 21:46       ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-26 13:43         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-26 19:26           ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 05/13] rust: hrtimer: add `UnsafeHrTimerPointer` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:24   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 06/13] rust: hrtimer: add `hrtimer::ScopedHrTimerPointer` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:25   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 07/13] rust: hrtimer: implement `UnsafeHrTimerPointer` for `Pin<&T>` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:32   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-25  9:01     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 08/13] rust: hrtimer: implement `UnsafeHrTimerPointer` for `Pin<&mut T>` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:33   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 09/13] rust: alloc: add `Box::into_pin` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:34   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 10/13] rust: hrtimer: implement `HrTimerPointer` for `Pin<Box<T>>` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:37   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 11/13] rust: hrtimer: add `HrTimerMode` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:40   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-25  9:04     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-25 21:49       ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 12/13] rust: hrtimer: add clocksource selection through `ClockSource` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:42   ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-27  9:11   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-27  9:24     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-27 11:18     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-27 14:22       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-27 16:03         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 12:03 ` [PATCH v9 13/13] rust: hrtimer: add maintainer entry Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 15:44   ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-26 16:17     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-26 19:42       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-26 19:49       ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-26 21:08         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-27  9:12       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-27 10:45         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 23:43   ` Lyude Paul

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