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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	 Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,  bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	 David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	 Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com>,
	 Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,  Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 01/14] mm: introduce bpf struct ops for OOM handling
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 11:28:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87cy8gty9e.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQ+LGbXXHHTbBB9b-RjAXO4B6=3Z=G0=7ToZVuH61OONWA@mail.gmail.com> (Alexei Starovoitov's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:52:26 -0700")

Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 11:01 AM Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/25/25 10:00 AM, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> > Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev> writes:
>> >
>> >> On 8/20/25 5:24 PM, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> >>>> How is it decided who gets to run before the other? Is it based on
>> >>>> order of attachment (which can be non-deterministic)?
>> >>> Yeah, now it's the order of attachment.
>> >>>
>> >>>> There was a lot of discussion on something similar for tc progs, and
>> >>>> we went with specific flags that capture partial ordering constraints
>> >>>> (instead of priorities that may collide).
>> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230719140858.13224-2-daniel@iogearbox.net
>> >>>> It would be nice if we can find a way of making this consistent.
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> The cgroup bpf prog has recently added the mprog api support also. If
>> >> the simple order of attachment is not enough and needs to have
>> >> specific ordering, we should make the bpf struct_ops support the same
>> >> mprog api instead of asking each subsystem creating its own.
>> >>
>> >> fyi, another need for struct_ops ordering is to upgrade the
>> >> BPF_PROG_TYPE_SOCK_OPS api to struct_ops for easier extension in the
>> >> future. Slide 13 in
>> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjKZth6T0llLJ_ONPAL_6Q_jbxbAjByp/view
>> >
>> > Does it mean it's better now to keep it simple in the context of oom
>> > patches with the plan to later reuse the generic struct_ops
>> > infrastructure?
>> >
>> > Honestly, I believe that the simple order of attachment should be
>> > good enough for quite a while, so I'd not over-complicate this,
>> > unless it's not fixable later.
>>
>> I think the simple attachment ordering is fine. Presumably the current link list
>> in patch 1 can be replaced by the mprog in the future. Other experts can chime
>> in if I have missed things.
>
> I don't think the proposed approach of:
> list_for_each_entry_srcu(bpf_oom, &bpf_oom_handlers, node, false) {
> is extensible without breaking things.
> Sooner or later people will want bpf-oom handlers to be per
> container, so we have to think upfront how to do it.
> I would start with one bpf-oom prog per memcg and extend with mprog later.
> Effectively placing 'struct bpf_oom_ops *' into oc->memcg,
> and having one global bpf_oom_ops when oc->memcg == NULL.
> I'm sure other designs are possible, but lets make sure container scope
> is designed from the beginning.
> mprog-like multi prog behavior per container can be added later.

Sounds good to me, will implement something like this in the next version.

Thanks!

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-27 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-18 17:01 [PATCH v1 00/14] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 01/14] mm: introduce bpf struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-08-19  4:09   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-19 20:06     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 19:34       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-20 19:52         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 20:01           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26 16:23         ` Amery Hung
2025-08-20 11:28   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-21  0:24     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-21  0:36       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-21  2:22         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-21 15:54           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-22 19:27       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-08-25 17:00         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-26 18:01           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-08-26 19:52             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-08-27 18:28               ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-09-02 17:31               ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-02 22:30                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-09-02 23:36                   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-03  0:29                 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 23:30                   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-04  6:39                     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-04 14:32                       ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-04 16:26                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-04 16:58                           ` Tejun Heo
2025-08-26 16:56   ` Amery Hung
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 02/14] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20  9:17   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-20 22:32     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 03/14] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 04/14] mm: introduce bpf kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20  9:21   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-20 22:43     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 23:33       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 05/14] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20  9:25   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-20 22:45     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 06/14] mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() " Roman Gushchin
2025-08-19  4:09   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-19 20:16     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20  9:34   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-20 22:59     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 07/14] mm: allow specifying custom oom constraint for bpf triggers Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 08/14] mm: introduce bpf_task_is_oom_victim() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 09/14] bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 10/14] bpf: selftests: bpf OOM handler test Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20  9:33   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-08-20 22:49     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 20:23   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-08-21  0:10     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 11/14] sched: psi: refactor psi_trigger_create() Roman Gushchin
2025-08-19  4:09   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-19 20:28     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 12/14] sched: psi: implement psi trigger handling using bpf Roman Gushchin
2025-08-19  4:11   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-19 22:31     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-19 23:31       ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 23:56         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26 17:03   ` Amery Hung
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 13/14] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi_create_trigger() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 20:30   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-08-21  0:36     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-22 19:13       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-08-22 19:57       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-08-25 16:56         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v1 14/14] bpf: selftests: psi struct ops test Roman Gushchin
2025-08-19  4:08 ` [PATCH v1 00/14] mm: BPF OOM Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-19 19:52   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-08-20 21:06 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-21  0:01   ` Roman Gushchin

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