From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
"Torvald Riegel" <triegel@redhat.com>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 8/8] x86/vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock()
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 10:36:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ecliokzz.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lhu4imeoo5i.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>
On Tue, Mar 17 2026 at 09:28, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Thomas Gleixner:
>
>> Arguably this could be avoided by providing separate functions and making
>> the IP range for the quick check in the exit to user path cover the whole
>> text section which contains the two functions. But that's not a win at all
>> because:
>>
>> 1) User space needs to handle the two variants instead of just
>> relying on a bit which can be saved in the mutex at
>> initialization time.
>
> I'm pretty sure that on the user-space side, we wouldn't have
> cross-word-size operations (e.g., 64-bit code working on both 64-bit and
> 32-bit robust mutexes). Certainly not within libcs. The other point
> about complexity is of course still valid.
Right, I know that no libc implementation supports such an insanity, but
the kernel unfortunately allows to do so and it's used in the wild :(
So we have to deal with it somehow and the size modifier was the most
straight forward solution I could come up with. I'm all ears if someone
has a better idea.
That said, do you see any issue from libc size versus extending the
WAKE/UNLOCK_PI functionality with that UNLOCK_ROBUST functionality?
I did some basic performance tests in the meanwhile with an open coded
mutex implementation. I can't observe any significant difference between
doing the unlock in user space or letting the kernel do it, but that
needs of course more scrunity.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-17 9:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-16 17:12 [patch 0/8] futex: Address the robust futex unlock race for real Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:12 ` [patch 1/8] futex: Move futex task related data into a struct Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17 2:24 ` André Almeida
2026-03-17 9:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 2/8] futex: Move futex related mm_struct " Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 3/8] futex: Provide UABI defines for robust list entry modifiers Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17 2:38 ` André Almeida
2026-03-17 9:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 4/8] futex: Add support for unlocking robust futexes Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17 16:17 ` André Almeida
2026-03-17 20:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-17 22:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18 8:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-18 8:06 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-18 14:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-18 16:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 5/8] futex: Add robust futex unlock IP range Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17 19:19 ` André Almeida
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 6/8] futex: Provide infrastructure to plug the non contended robust futex unlock race Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 20:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 20:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 7/8] x86/vdso: Prepare for robust futex unlock support Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 8/8] x86/vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 19:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 21:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 22:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 21:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 21:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17 7:25 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-17 9:51 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17 11:17 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-18 16:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-19 7:41 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-19 8:53 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-19 9:04 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-19 9:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-19 23:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-19 10:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-19 10:49 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-19 10:55 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-17 8:28 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-17 9:36 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-03-17 10:37 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-17 22:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18 22:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18 22:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-19 2:05 ` André Almeida
2026-03-19 7:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17 15:33 ` Uros Bizjak
2026-03-18 8:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18 8:32 ` Uros Bizjak
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