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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org,  zokeefe@google.com,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] mm/madvise: introduce MADV_TRY_COLLAPSE for attempted synchronous hugepage collapse
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 05:41:08 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ededl9u3.fsf@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240117050217.43610-1-ioworker0@gmail.com> (Lance Yang's message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:02:16 +0800")

Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com> writes:

> This idea was inspired by MADV_COLLAPSE introduced by Zach O'Keefe[1].
>
> Introduce a new madvise mode, MADV_TRY_COLLAPSE, that allows users to
> make a least-effort attempt at a synchronous collapse of memory at
> their own expense.
>
> The only difference from MADV_COLLAPSE is that the new hugepage allocation
> avoids direct reclaim and/or compaction, quickly failing on allocation errors.
>
> The benefits of this approach are:
>
> * CPU is charged to the process that wants to spend the cycles for the THP
> * Avoid unpredictable timing of khugepaged collapse
> * Prevent unpredictable stalls caused by direct reclaim and/or
> compaction

I haven't completely followed the discussion, but it seem your second
and third point could be addressed by a asynchronous THP fault without
any new APIs: allocate 2MB while failing quickly, then on failure get
a 4K page and provide it to the process, while asking khugepaged to
convert the page ASAP in the background, but only after
it managed to allocate a fresh 2MB page to minimize the process visible
down time.

I suppose that would be much more predictable, although there would be a
slightly risk of overwhelming khugepaged. The later could be
addressed by using a scalable workqueue that allocates more threads
when needed.

-Andi


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-19 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-17  5:02 [PATCH v1 1/2] mm/madvise: introduce MADV_TRY_COLLAPSE for attempted synchronous hugepage collapse Lance Yang
2024-01-17  5:02 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] mm/madvise: add MADV_TRY_COLLAPSE to process_madvise() Lance Yang
2024-01-17 17:10 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] mm/madvise: introduce MADV_TRY_COLLAPSE for attempted synchronous hugepage collapse Zach O'Keefe
2024-01-17 18:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-18  1:51     ` Lance Yang
2024-01-18  1:46   ` Lance Yang
2024-01-17 21:52 ` kernel test robot
2024-01-18  0:32 ` kernel test robot
2024-01-19 13:41 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2024-01-20  2:34   ` Lance Yang

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