From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Naresh Kamboju <naresh.kamboju@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [patch 3/3] tick: Annotate tick_do_timer_cpu data races
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 20:43:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eek14d2e.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANpmjNNQiTbnkkj+ZHS5xxQuQfnWN_JGwSnN-_xqfa=raVrXHQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Dec 07 2020 at 19:19, Marco Elver wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 18:46, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 07 2020 at 13:09, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > I prefer the form:
>> >
>> > if (data_race(tick_do_timer_cpu == TICK_DO_TIMER_BOOT)) {
>> >
>> > But there doesn't yet seem to be sufficient data_race() usage in the
>> > kernel to see which of the forms is preferred. Do we want to bike-shed
>> > this now and document the outcome somewhere?
>>
>> Yes please before we get a gazillion of patches changing half of them
>> half a year from now.
>
> That rule should be as simple as possible. The simplest would be:
> "Only enclose the smallest required expression in data_race(); keep
> the number of required data_race() expressions to a minimum." (=> want
> least amount of code inside data_race() with the least number of
> data_race()s).
>
> In the case here, that'd be the "if (data_race(tick_do_timer_cpu) ==
> ..." variant.
>
> Otherwise there's the possibility that we'll end up with accesses
> inside data_race() that we hadn't planned for. For example, somebody
> refactors some code replacing constants with variables.
>
> I currently don't know what the rule for Peter's preferred variant
> would be, without running the risk of some accidentally data_race()'d
> accesses.
I agree. Lets keep it simple and have the data_race() only covering the
actual access to the racy variable, struct member.
The worst case we could end up with would be
if (data_race(A) == data_race(B))
which would still be clearly isolated. The racy part is not the
comparison, it's the accesses which can cause random results for the
comparison.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-07 19:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-06 21:12 [patch 0/3] tick: Annotate and document the intentionaly racy tick_do_timer_cpu Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:12 ` [patch 1/3] tick: Remove pointless cpu valid check in hotplug code Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 11:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 17:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 22:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-12 0:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-12 1:20 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-11 22:31 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-16 10:50 ` [tip: timers/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:12 ` [patch 2/3] tick/sched: Remove bogus boot "safety" check Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 22:41 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-12-16 10:50 ` [tip: timers/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:12 ` [patch 3/3] tick: Annotate tick_do_timer_cpu data races Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 12:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 17:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 18:19 ` Marco Elver
2020-12-07 19:43 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2020-12-07 19:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-07 21:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 22:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-07 22:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 22:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-08 8:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-08 15:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-16 0:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-16 21:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-16 21:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-16 21:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-17 10:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-17 14:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-12-08 8:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 11:05 ` [patch 0/3] tick: Annotate and document the intentionaly racy tick_do_timer_cpu Marco Elver
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