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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk ringbuffer implementation
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:13:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ef38cyn7.fsf@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190630140855.GA6005@andrea> (Andrea Parri's message of "Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:08:55 +0200")

On 2019-06-30, Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com> wrote:
>> The significant events for 2 contexts that are accessing the same
>> addresses of a descriptor are:
>> 
>> P0(struct desc *d0)
>> {
>>         // adding a new descriptor d0
>> 
>>         WRITE_ONCE(d0->next, EOL);               // C
>>         WRITE_ONCE(d0->seq, X);                  // D
>>         cmpxchg_release(newest, Y, indexof(d0)); // E
>> }
>> 
>> P1(struct desc *d1)
>> {
>>         // adding a new descriptor d1 that comes after d0
>> 
>>         struct desc *d0;
>>         int r0, r1;
>> 
>>         r0 = READ_ONCE(newest);                 // A
>>         d0 = &array[r0];
>>         r1 = READ_ONCE(d0->seq);                // B
>>         WRITE_ONCE(d0->next, Z);                // F
>> }
>> 
>> d0 is the same address for P0 and P1. (The values of EOL, X, Y, Z are
>> unrelated and irrelevant.)
>
>   (1) If A reads from E, then B reads from D (or from another store
>       to ->seq, not reported in the snippet, which overwrites D)
>
>   (2) If A reads from E, then F overwrites C
>
> This, IIUC, for the informal descriptions of the (intended) guarantees.
> Back to the pairings in question: AFAICT,
>
>   (a) For (1), we rely on the pairing:
>
>         RELEASE from D to E  (matching)  ADDRESS DEP. from A to B
>
>   (b) For (2), we rely on the pairing:
>
>         RELEASE from C to E  (matching)  ADDRESS DEP. from A to F
>
> Does this make sense?

Yes. This is what I needed to see.

> IMO (and assuming that what I wrote above makes some sense), (a-b) and
> (1-2) above, together with the associated annotations of the code/ops,
> provide all the desired and necessary information to document MB5.
>
> For readability purposes, it could be nice to also keep the snippet you
> provided above (but let me stress, again, that such a snippet should be
> integrated with additional information as suggested above).
>
> As to "where to insert the memory barrier documentation", I really have
> no suggestion ATM.  I guess someone would split it (say, before A and E)
> while others could prefer to keep it within a same inline comment.

Thank you. This is the level of formalization I've been looking for. I
will rework the comments (and naming) and post a v3. It is probably best
for you to wait until then to look at this again. (And after going
through such formal processes, even _I_ am having difficulties
understanding what some of my memory barriers are supposed to be
synchronizing.)

John Ogness

  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-02 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-07 16:23 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] printk: new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-06-07 16:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk " John Ogness
2019-06-18  4:51   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-18 22:12     ` John Ogness
2019-06-25  6:45       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25  7:15         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25  8:44           ` John Ogness
2019-06-25  9:06             ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-25 10:03               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25 12:03                 ` John Ogness
2019-06-26  2:08                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-26  7:16                     ` John Ogness
2019-06-26  7:45                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-26  7:47                       ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-26  7:59                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25  9:09             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-18 11:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 22:18     ` John Ogness
2019-06-18 11:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 22:30     ` John Ogness
2019-06-19 10:46       ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-20 22:50         ` John Ogness
2019-06-21 12:16           ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-19 11:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 11:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-20 22:23     ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 22:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-26 22:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-28  9:50         ` John Ogness
2019-06-28 15:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-28 16:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-07-01 10:39             ` John Ogness
2019-07-01 14:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-07-01 14:11               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-29 21:05           ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-30  2:03             ` John Ogness
2019-06-30 14:08               ` Andrea Parri
2019-07-02 14:13                 ` John Ogness [this message]
2019-06-26 22:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-21 14:05   ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-24  8:33     ` John Ogness
2019-06-24 14:09       ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-25 13:29         ` John Ogness
2019-06-26  8:29           ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-26  9:09             ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 21:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-26 21:43         ` John Ogness
2019-06-27  8:28           ` Petr Mladek
2019-07-04 10:33     ` [PATCH POC] printk_ringbuffer: Alternative implementation of lockless printk ringbuffer Petr Mladek
2019-07-04 14:59       ` John Ogness
2019-07-08 15:23         ` Petr Mladek
2019-07-09  1:34           ` John Ogness
2019-07-09  9:06             ` Petr Mladek
2019-07-09 10:21               ` John Ogness
2019-07-09 11:58                 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-14  3:46                   ` John Ogness
2019-06-24 13:55   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-06-25  8:55   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25  9:19     ` John Ogness
2019-06-07 16:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] printk-rb: add test module John Ogness
2019-06-17 21:09 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] printk: new ringbuffer implementation Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18  7:15   ` Petr Mladek

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