From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
hpa@zytor.com, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:23:36 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fvqj2vxz.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131125163920.GC23094@redhat.com> (Vivek Goyal's message of "Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:39:21 -0500")
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 07:39:14PM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> [..]
>> > Hmm..., I am running out of ideas here. This is what I understand.
>> >
>> > - If I sign the bzImage (using PKCS1.5 signature), and later it is signed
>> > with authenticode format signatures, then PKCS1.5 signatures will not be
>> > valid as PE/COFF signing will do some modification to PE/COFF header in
>> > bzImage. And another problem is that then I don't have a way to find
>> > PKCS1.5 signature.
>> >
>> > - If bzImage is first signed with authenticode format signature and then
>> > signed using PKCS1.5 signature, then authenticode format signature
>> > will become invalid as it will also hash the data appened at the end
>> > of file.
>> >
>> > So looks like both signatures can't co-exist on same file. That means
>> > one signature has to be detached.
>> >
>> > I am beginning to think that create a kernel option which allows to choose
>> > between attached and detached signatures. Extend kexec syscall to allow
>> > a parameter to pass in detached signatures. If detached signatures are
>> > not passed, then look for signatures at the end of file. That way, those
>> > who are signing kernels using platform specific format (authenticode) in
>> > this case, they can generate detached signature while others can just
>> > use attached signatures.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts on how this should be handled?
>>
>> Inside of a modern bzImage there is an embedded ELF image. How about in
>> userspace we just strip out the embedded ELF image and write that to a
>> file. Then we can use the same signature checking scheme as we do for
>> kernel modules. And you only have to support one file format.
>
> I think there is a problem with that. And that we lose the additional
> metadata info present in bzImage which is important.
>
> For example, knowing how much memory kernel will consume before it
> sets up its own GDT and page tables (init_size) is very important. That
> gives image loader lot of flexibility in figuring out where to place rest
> of the components safely (initrd, GDT, page tables, ELF header segment,
> backup region etc).
The init_size should be reflected in the .bss of the ELF segments. If
not it is a bug when generating the kernel ELF headers and should be
fixed.
For use by kexec I don't see any issues with just signing the embedded
ELF image.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-26 12:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-20 17:50 [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 1/6] kexec: Export vmcoreinfo note size properly Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:59 ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 2/6] kexec: Move segment verification code in a separate function Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 3/6] resource: Provide new functions to walk through resources Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:03 ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:13 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:24 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 18:57 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-23 3:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 16:39 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-26 12:23 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2013-11-26 14:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-19 12:54 ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-20 14:19 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-20 23:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-20 23:20 ` Kees Cook
2013-12-21 11:38 ` Torsten Duwe
2014-01-02 20:39 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-01-02 20:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-06 21:33 ` Josh Boyer
2014-01-07 4:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 23:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21 1:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-21 3:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21 12:15 ` Torsten Duwe
2013-11-21 19:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 1:03 ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22 2:13 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 20:42 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-01-17 19:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-29 3:10 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:27 ` WANG Chao
2013-12-02 15:44 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 1:35 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 1:56 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 8:19 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 5/6] kexec-bzImage: Support for loading bzImage using 64bit entry Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:07 ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:21 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-28 11:35 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 6/6] kexec: Support for Kexec on panic using new system call Vivek Goyal
2013-11-28 11:28 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 1:51 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 1:41 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:58 ` [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:07 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-21 19:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 23:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22 1:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22 2:35 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 2:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22 1:55 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 9:09 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 13:30 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 13:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:50 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:33 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 17:45 ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22 13:43 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 15:33 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:57 ` Eric Paris
2013-11-22 16:04 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 16:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22 14:19 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 19:48 ` Greg KH
2013-11-23 3:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-04 19:34 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-05 4:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 10:04 ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-25 15:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-25 16:15 ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-22 0:55 ` HATAYAMA Daisuke
2013-11-22 2:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-03 13:23 ` Baoquan He
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