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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	hpa@zytor.com, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:23:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fvqj2vxz.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131125163920.GC23094@redhat.com> (Vivek Goyal's message of "Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:39:21 -0500")

Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:

> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 07:39:14PM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> [..]
>> > Hmm..., I am running out of ideas here. This is what I understand.
>> >
>> > - If I sign the bzImage (using PKCS1.5 signature), and later it is signed
>> >   with authenticode format signatures, then PKCS1.5 signatures will not be
>> >   valid as PE/COFF signing will do some modification to PE/COFF header in
>> >   bzImage. And another problem is that then I don't have a way to find
>> >   PKCS1.5 signature.
>> >
>> > - If bzImage is first signed with authenticode format signature and then
>> >   signed using PKCS1.5 signature, then  authenticode format signature
>> >   will become invalid as it will also hash the data appened at the end
>> >   of file.
>> >
>> > So looks like both signatures can't co-exist on same file. That means
>> > one signature has to be detached.
>> >
>> > I am beginning to think that create a kernel option which allows to choose
>> > between attached and detached signatures. Extend kexec syscall to allow
>> > a parameter to pass in detached signatures. If detached signatures are
>> > not passed, then look for signatures at the end of file. That way, those
>> > who are signing kernels using platform specific format (authenticode) in 
>> > this case, they can generate detached signature while others can just
>> > use attached signatures.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts on how this should be handled?
>> 
>> Inside of a modern bzImage there is an embedded ELF image.  How about in
>> userspace we just strip out the embedded ELF image and write that to a
>> file.  Then we can use the same signature checking scheme as we do for
>> kernel modules.  And you only have to support one file format.
>
> I think there is a problem with that. And that we lose the additional
> metadata info present in bzImage which is important.
>
> For example, knowing how much memory kernel will consume before it
> sets up its own GDT and page tables (init_size) is very important. That
> gives image loader lot of flexibility in figuring out where to place rest
> of the components safely (initrd, GDT, page tables, ELF header segment, 
> backup region etc).

The init_size should be reflected in the .bss of the ELF segments.  If
not it is a bug when generating the kernel ELF headers and should be
fixed.

For use by kexec I don't see any issues with just signing the embedded
ELF image.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-26 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-20 17:50 [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 1/6] kexec: Export vmcoreinfo note size properly Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:59   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:08     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 2/6] kexec: Move segment verification code in a separate function Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 3/6] resource: Provide new functions to walk through resources Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:03   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:06     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:19         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:24           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 18:57           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-23  3:39             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 16:39               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-26 12:23                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2013-11-26 14:27                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-19 12:54                     ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-20 14:19                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-20 23:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-20 23:20                           ` Kees Cook
2013-12-21 11:38                             ` Torsten Duwe
2014-01-02 20:39                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-01-02 20:56                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-06 21:33                                 ` Josh Boyer
2014-01-07  4:22                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 23:20                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21  1:32                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-21  3:32                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21 12:15                                 ` Torsten Duwe
2013-11-21 19:16     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  1:03     ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22  2:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 20:42   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-01-17 19:17     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-29  3:10   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:27     ` WANG Chao
2013-12-02 15:44     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:35       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:56   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  8:19     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:32     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 5/6] kexec-bzImage: Support for loading bzImage using 64bit entry Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:07   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:21     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-28 11:35   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:36     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 6/6] kexec: Support for Kexec on panic using new system call Vivek Goyal
2013-11-28 11:28   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:30     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:51       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:20         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:41   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:58 ` [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:07   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:46     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-21 19:14   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 23:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22  1:28   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  2:35     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  2:40       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  1:55   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  9:09     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 13:30       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 13:46         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:50           ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:33             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 17:45               ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22 13:43       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:25         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 15:33           ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:57             ` Eric Paris
2013-11-22 16:04               ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 16:08                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22 14:19       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 19:48         ` Greg KH
2013-11-23  3:23         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-04 19:34           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-05  4:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 10:04       ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-25 15:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-25 16:15           ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-22  0:55 ` HATAYAMA Daisuke
2013-11-22  2:03   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-03 13:23 ` Baoquan He

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