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From: Andreas Hindborg <nmi@metaspace.dk>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: "Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Anna-Maria Behnsen" <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	"Frederic Weisbecker" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rust: hrtimer: introduce hrtimer support
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:22:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6fik8wu.fsf@metaspace.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZjELgVzzX4oru0gi@Boquns-Mac-mini.home> (Boqun Feng's message of "Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:17:21 -0700")

Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 02:33:50PM +0200, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> [...]
>> >
>> > Could you see if you can replace this with a `SpinLock<bool>` +
>> > `CondVar`? We shouldn't use Rust atomic in kernel now. I know it's
>> > unfortunate that LKMM atomics are still work in process, but in real
>> > world, you won't do busy waiting for a timer to fire, so a
>> > `CondVar::wait` is better for example purpose.
>> 
>> Since this is only using the atomic from Rust code, it should be fine
>> right? There is no mixing of memory models on this memory location.
>> 
>
> It's better compared to mixing accesses on a same location, but it's
> still not allowed (for now, at least) to avoid mixing memory models on
> ordering guarantees, for example:
>
> (assume all memory location is initialized as 0)
>
> 	CPU 0				CPU 1
> 	-----				-----
> 	x.store(1, RELAXED); // Rust native atomic
> 	smp_store_release(&y, 1); // LKMM atomic
> 					let r0 = smp_load_acquire(&y);
> 					let r1 = x.load(RELAXED);
>
> The smp_store_release() and smp_load_acquire() pairs per LKMM, and
> provide certain rel-acq ordering. But to make it (r0 == 1 && r1 == 0),
> C11 memory model needs to understand this sort of orderings, but
> currently there is no such thing as an "external ordering" to C11 memory
> model.
>
> I admit this is much of a theorical concern for code reasoning, in real
> world, it must "just work", but "if you want to have fun, start with
> one" ;-)

Alright, I will change it to a `CondVar` or a `SpinLock` 👍

BR Andreas

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-30 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-25  9:46 [PATCH] rust: hrtimer: introduce hrtimer support Andreas Hindborg
2024-04-26  7:52 ` Benno Lossin
2024-04-26  9:27   ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-04-29 17:31     ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-30 12:33       ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-04-30 15:17         ` Boqun Feng
2024-04-30 18:22           ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2024-04-30 17:05   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-29 12:49 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-29 13:47   ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-04-30 17:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-30 18:18   ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-04-30 22:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-01 11:37       ` Andreas Hindborg

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