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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	paulmck@kernel.org, rui.zhang@intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] x86/tsc: Make recalibration default on for TSC_KNOWN_FREQ cases
Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 10:14:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6s4ye9b.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230522033018.1276836-1-feng.tang@intel.com>

On Mon, May 22 2023 at 11:30, Feng Tang wrote:
> Commit a7ec817d5542 ("x86/tsc: Add option to force frequency
> recalibration with HW timer") was added to handle cases that the
> firmware has bug and provides a wrong TSC frequency number, and it
> is optional given that this kind of firmware issue rarely happens
> (Paul reported once [1]).
>
> But Rui reported that some Sapphire Rapids platform met this issue
> again recently, and as firmware is also a kind of 'software' which
> can't be bug free, make the recalibration default on. When the
> values from firmware and HW timer's calibration have big gap,
> raise a warning and let vendor to check which side is broken.

Sure firmware can have bugs, but if firmware validation does not even
catch such a trivially to detect bug, then their validation is nothing
else than rubber stamping. Seriously.

Are any of these affected platforms shipping already or is this just
Intel internal muck?

> One downside is, many VMs also has X86_FEATURE_TSC_KNOWN_FREQ set,
> and they will also do this recalibration.

It's also pointless for those SoCs which lack legacy hardware.

So why do you force this on everyone?

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-22  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-22  3:30 [PATCH RFC] x86/tsc: Make recalibration default on for TSC_KNOWN_FREQ cases Feng Tang
2023-05-22  8:14 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-05-22  8:47   ` Feng Tang
2023-05-22 11:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-22 13:00       ` Feng Tang
2023-05-22 14:31         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-22 15:20           ` Feng Tang
2023-05-22 16:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-23  1:18               ` Feng Tang
2023-05-23  8:11                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-23 14:31                   ` Feng Tang
2023-06-02 18:29   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-06-02 18:36     ` Dave Hansen
2023-06-02 19:08       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-06-05  1:04         ` Feng Tang
2023-06-08 16:58           ` Paul E. McKenney

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