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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	"Gross, Jurgen" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"mikelley@microsoft.com" <mikelley@microsoft.com>,
	"arjan@linux.intel.com" <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"thomas.lendacky@amd.com" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"ray.huang@amd.com" <ray.huang@amd.com>,
	"andrew.cooper3@citrix.com" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Sivanich, Dimitri" <dimitri.sivanich@hpe.com>,
	"wei.liu@kernel.org" <wei.liu@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch V3 27/40] x86/cpu: Provide a sane leaf 0xb/0x1f parser
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 14:26:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87il9hg67i.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b8637c8c92751f791bf2eae7418977c0fd0c611d.camel@intel.com>

> On Sun, 2023-08-13 at 17:04 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>
> With this, we set dom_offset[DIE] to 7 first when parsing TILE, and
> then overwrite it to 8 when parsing UBER_TILE, and set
> dom_offset[PACKAGE] to 9 when parsinig DIE.
>
> lossing TILE.eax.shifts is okay, because it is for UBER_TILE id.

No. That's just wrong. TILE is defined and potentially used in the
kernel. How can you rightfully assume that UBER TILE is a valid
substitution? You can't.

> Currently, die topology information is mandatory in Linux, we cannot
> make it right without patching enum topo_types/enum
> x86_topology_domains/topo_domain_map (which in fact tells the
> relationship between DIE and FOO).

You cannot just nilly willy assume at which domain level FOO sits. Look
at your example:

> Say, we have new level FOO, and the CPUID is like this
> level	type		eax.shifts
> 0	SMT		1
> 1	CORE		5
> 2	FOO		8

FOO can be anything between CORE and PKG, so you cannot tell what it
means.

Simply heuristics _cannot_ be correct by definition. So why trying to
come up with them just because?

What's the problem you are trying to solve? Some real world issue or
some academic though experiment which might never become a real problem?

Thanks,

        tglx




  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-14 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-02 10:20 [patch V3 00/40] x86/cpu: Rework the topology evaluation Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:20 ` [patch V3 01/40] cpu/SMT: Make SMT control more robust against enumeration failures Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-04 17:50   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-04 20:01     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 02/40] x86/apic: Fake primary thread mask for XEN/PV Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-04 18:12   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-04 20:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 03/40] x86/cpu: Encapsulate topology information in cpuinfo_x86 Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 04/40] x86/cpu: Move phys_proc_id into topology info Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 05/40] x86/cpu: Move cpu_die_id " Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-09 14:32   ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-09 15:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 06/40] scsi: lpfc: Use topology_core_id() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 07/40] hwmon: (fam15h_power) " Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 08/40] x86/cpu: Move cpu_core_id into topology info Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 09/40] x86/cpu: Move cu_id " Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 10/40] x86/cpu: Remove pointless evaluation of x86_coreid_bits Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 11/40] x86/cpu: Move logical package and die IDs into topology info Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 12/40] x86/cpu: Move cpu_l[l2]c_id " Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 13/40] x86/apic: Use BAD_APICID consistently Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 14/40] x86/apic: Use u32 for APIC IDs in global data Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 15/40] x86/apic: Use u32 for check_apicid_used() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 16/40] x86/apic: Use u32 for cpu_present_to_apicid() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 17/40] x86/apic: Use u32 for phys_pkg_id() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 18/40] x86/apic: Use u32 for [gs]et_apic_id() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 19/40] x86/apic: Use u32 for wakeup_secondary_cpu[_64]() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-10  7:58   ` Qiuxu Zhuo
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 20/40] x86/cpu/topology: Cure the abuse of cpuinfo for persisting logical ids Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 21/40] x86/cpu: Provide debug interface Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 22/40] x86/cpu: Provide cpuid_read() et al Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 23/40] x86/cpu: Provide cpu_init/parse_topology() Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-04  8:14   ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-08-04  8:28     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-04  8:34       ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-08-12  6:41   ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-12  8:00     ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-14  6:26       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-14  7:11         ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-13 13:30     ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-13 14:36       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-14  6:20         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-14  6:42           ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 24/40] x86/cpu: Add legacy topology parser Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 25/40] x86/cpu: Use common topology code for Centaur and Zhaoxin Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 26/40] x86/cpu: Move __max_die_per_package to common.c Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 27/40] x86/cpu: Provide a sane leaf 0xb/0x1f parser Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-12  8:21   ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-12 20:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-13 15:04       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-14  8:25         ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-14 12:26           ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-08-14 14:48             ` Brown, Len
2023-08-14 16:13               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-15 19:30                 ` Brown, Len
2023-08-17  9:09                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-18  5:01                     ` Brown, Len
2023-08-21 10:27                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-30  2:46                         ` Brown, Len
2023-08-30 12:39                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-01  3:09                             ` Brown, Len
2023-09-01  7:45                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-14 15:28             ` Zhang, Rui
2023-08-14 17:12               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 28/40] x86/cpu: Use common topology code for Intel Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 29/40] x86/cpu/amd: Provide a separate accessor for Node ID Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 30/40] x86/cpu: Provide an AMD/HYGON specific topology parser Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 19:28   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-08-02 19:46     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 19:51   ` [patch V3a " Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-11 12:58     ` Pu Wen
2023-08-11 17:11       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-12  3:58         ` Pu Wen
2023-10-13  9:38           ` [tip: x86/core] x86/cpu/hygon: Fix the CPU topology evaluation for real tip-bot2 for Pu Wen
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 31/40] x86/smpboot: Teach it about topo.amd_node_id Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 32/40] x86/cpu: Use common topology code for AMD Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 33/40] x86/cpu: Use common topology code for HYGON Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-11 13:00   ` Pu Wen
2023-08-11 17:11     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 34/40] x86/mm/numa: Use core domain size on AMD Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 35/40] x86/cpu: Make topology_amd_node_id() use the actual node info Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 36/40] x86/cpu: Remove topology.c Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 37/40] x86/cpu: Remove x86_coreid_bits Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 38/40] x86/apic: Remove unused phys_pkg_id() callback Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:21 ` [patch V3 39/40] x86/xen/smp_pv: Remove cpudata fiddling Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 10:22 ` [patch V3 40/40] x86/apic/uv: Remove the private leaf 0xb parser Thomas Gleixner
2023-08-02 11:56 ` [patch V3 00/40] x86/cpu: Rework the topology evaluation Juergen Gross
2023-08-03  0:07 ` Sohil Mehta
2023-08-03  3:44 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)

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