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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Parag Warudkar <parag.warudkar@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:02:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iqv3sgyp.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080715163205.5eddba46@the-village.bc.nu> (Alan Cox's message of "Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:32:05 +0100")

Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:

> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:27:56 +0000 (UTC)
> Parag Warudkar <parag.warudkar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andi Kleen <andi <at> firstfloor.org> writes:
>> 
>> 
>> > Or you could just do it like emacs or Solaris and simply use a single number.
>> 
>> No - because then those handful of Solaris supporters will get one more 'proof'
>> in support of their claims of Linux copying Solaris - first SystemTap copying
>> DTrace and now version numbers. See how we stand a risk of ending up convinced
>> we do not innovate?
>
> "Support" - dtrace is based on the IBM work it seems, and the IBM work
> predates Solaris dtrace by a long time, so actually you could argue
> Solaris copied Linux but shipped first ;)

Actually SLES9 shipped with IBM dprobes[1] long before Solaris dtrace even
existed (and OS/2 did long before that). Back then the interest in it
was about zero though, which made SLES10 drop it again. 
I think I was one of the very few users.  Admittedly the early RPN
probes were also not particularly user friendly, but they worked.

I use this always as an example that even sophisticated users 
like system administrators and kernel hackers are somewhat marketing driven.

-Andi

[1] which BTW already supported user space probes

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-18  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-15  2:10 From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7? Stoyan Gaydarov
2008-07-15  2:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  2:31   ` Stoyan Gaydarov
2008-07-15  2:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  3:55       ` david
2008-07-15  5:31         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15  6:40           ` Rafael C. de Almeida
2008-07-15  7:23           ` Stoyan Gaydarov
2008-07-15  7:49       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-17 17:25         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-17 19:56           ` Craig Milo Rogers
2008-07-17 20:21             ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-19  8:00               ` Craig Milo Rogers
2008-07-19  8:52                 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-19 20:49                   ` Craig Milo Rogers
2008-07-19 20:56                     ` david
2008-07-19 21:56                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-20  8:34                     ` Rene Herman
2008-07-20 14:53                       ` Stefanos Harhalakis
2008-07-19 19:30                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2008-07-19 21:16                   ` Craig Milo Rogers
2008-07-19 23:10                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2008-07-15  8:29       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-07-15 12:41       ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-07-15 13:18         ` Alberto Gonzalez
2008-07-15 18:06       ` Charles grey wolf Banas
2008-07-15 20:43       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-16  7:53         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-16  7:57           ` Rene Herman
2008-07-17 22:16         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-15 10:10   ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-15 11:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-15 15:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 15:27     ` Parag Warudkar
2008-07-15 15:32       ` Alan Cox
2008-07-18  9:02         ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-07-16 21:11     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-07-15 12:38   ` Alan Cox
2008-07-15 14:07   ` Byron Stanoszek
2008-07-16 21:14     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-07-17  0:03       ` Alex Chiang
2008-07-17 12:38         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-07-17 20:02           ` Alex Chiang
2008-07-15 14:24   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-07-15 16:36     ` Tobias Brox
2008-07-15 18:04   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-16  4:22     ` Rene Herman
2008-07-16  6:55       ` Rafael C. de Almeida
2008-07-16  7:17         ` Rene Herman
2008-07-16  7:30         ` Rene Herman
2008-07-16  9:34       ` Peter T. Breuer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-07-17 22:05 Alastair Stevens
2008-07-17 22:40 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-07-18  8:23   ` Peter T. Breuer

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