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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
Cc: "Oliver Mangold" <oliver.mangold@pm.me>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Asahi Lina" <lina+kernel@asahilina.net>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 4/4] rust: Add `OwnableRefCounted`
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2025 15:15:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jz4iomc9.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB5XPFYBATZZ.5EH3TWGPHTDB@kernel.org> (Benno Lossin's message of "Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:39:43 +0200")

"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:

> On Mon Jul 7, 2025 at 3:21 PM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon Jul 7, 2025 at 1:12 PM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>>>> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
>>>>> Ah right, I forgot about this. What was the refcount characteristics of
>>>>> this again?
>>>>>
>>>>> *  1 = in flight, owned by C
>>>>> *  2 = in flight, owned by Rust
>>>>> * >2 = in flight, owned by Rust + additional references used by Rust
>>>>>        code
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct? Maybe @Andreas can check.
>>>>
>>>> We have been a bit back and forth on this. This is how we would like it
>>>> going forward:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /// There are three states for a request that the Rust bindings care about:
>>>> ///
>>>> /// - 0: The request is owned by C block layer or is uniquely referenced (by [`Owned<_>`]).
>>>> /// - 1: The request is owned by Rust abstractions but is not referenced.
>>>> /// - 2+: There is one or more [`ARef`] instances referencing the request.
>>>
>>> Huh, now I'm more confused... Could you go into the details again?
>>
>> Well, there is not much to it. We found out we can alias "unique" and
>> "owned by C".
>>
>> We initialize the refcount to 0 when we initialize the request
>> structure. This happens at queue creation time.
>
> And IIRC this refcount is only on the Rust side, since you store it in
> some private data, right?

Yes.

>
>> When C block layer hands over a request for processing to a Rust driver,
>> we `debug_assert!` that the refcount is 0. We unsafely invent an
>> `Owned<Request<_>>` and pass that to the driver.
>
> And you don't increment the refcount?

No, we leave it at 0.

>
>> The driver has the option of `into_shared` to obtain an
>> `ARef<Request<_>>`. We use this for remote completion and timer
>> completion in rnull.
>
> This operation will set the refcount to 2?

Yes.

>
>> In most drivers, when the driver hands off the request to the hardware,
>> the driver will stop accounting for the request. The `Owned<Request<_>>`
>> is consumed when issuing to the driver, or the driver could simply drop
>> it. Refcount goes to 1. An ID is passed along to hardware.
>
> And with the current API design it must let go of all `ARef<Request<_>>`
> because otherwise it can't call `end_ok` (or some other method?).

Exactly. That one will take an `Owned<Request<_>>` (previously `Unique`).

>
>> When a completion comes back from hardware, it carries the ID. We use
>> the C block layer `tag_to_rq` machinery to turn this ID back into an
>> `Owned<Request<_>>`. In that process, we check that `refcount == 1` and
>> if so, we set refcount to 0 and invent an `Owned<Request<_>>`.
>
> (because if not, this would be wrong)

I hope it is not wrong 😆 You can see the latest and greatest here [1].

>
> I have some idea what we should do for the safety requirements of
> `Ownable`, but still need some time to write it down.

Great!


Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg


[1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/a.hindborg/linux.git/tree/rust/kernel/block/mq/request.rs?h=rnull-v6.15#n398


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-08 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 1/4] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 11:03     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  6:58       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:23         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08  9:56           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 10:16             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-08 13:06               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 18:30                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 19:18                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-09  8:53                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-09  9:11                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:22               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:53                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:00             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 12:26         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-18 12:46     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18 13:04       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-18 22:27         ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19  6:04           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19  8:26             ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19  8:45               ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19  9:00                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:15                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20 10:48                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19  8:53               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:13                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19 18:28                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-20  6:02                   ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20  7:41                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20  7:43                       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20 10:51                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 2/4] rust: Split `AlwaysRefCounted` into two traits Oliver Mangold
2025-06-19  3:15     ` kernel test robot
2025-07-02 11:23     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  7:42       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:27         ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 3/4] rust: Add missing SAFETY documentation for `ARef` example Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 4/4] rust: Add `OwnableRefCounted` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 13:24     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  8:07       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:33         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 11:12           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 11:47             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:21               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 15:39                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:15                   ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2025-07-08 14:50                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:35                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08  9:36           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 13:42             ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 17:23   ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-06  5:56     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-15 10:12   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18  5:59     ` Oliver Mangold

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