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From: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung.kim@lge.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET 0/9] perf tools: Fixup for the --percentage change
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:49:05 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k3agsla6.fsf@sejong.aot.lge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140422095557.GB10813@gmail.com> (Ingo Molnar's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:55:57 +0200")

Hi Ingo,

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:55:57 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> I gave it some quick testing and after fixing a trivial merge conflict 
> in tools/lib/lockdep/Makefile all seems to be working fine.

Thanks for testing!

>
> But while looking at it I remembered one of my old UI complains about 
> perf top and report, the hard to read nature of:
>
>    Event count (approx.): 226958779
>
> the values displayed are typically way too large to be easily human 
> readable. More importantly, they are also nonsensical! That we have a 
> sampling interval and can sum up all the intervals sampled has very 
> little meaning to the overwhelming majority of humans looking at the 
> data.
>
> And printing that just spams the visual field and confuses people.
>
> People care about the quality and speed of sampling itself, not 
> directly the interval of sampling (which will often be variable with 
> auto-freq sampling).

You meant 'period' by 'interval', right?

There's --show-total-period option (should be equivalent to -F period
later) in perf report, so there might be people want to see the numbers
IMHO.

>
> So instead of:
>
>   Samples: 42K of event 'cycles', Event count (approx.): 226958779
>
> How about only printing this in 'perf top' and 'perf report':
>
>   Captured 42.1K 'cycles' event samples
>
> Note the extra decimal (which helps monitor smaller changes as well), 
> and note the different wording.
>
> Thoughts?

Well, I'm okay to add the extra decimal, but it seems that it only makes
sense when the unit is 'K'..

And I think it might be worth adding filtered sample count as well if
filtering is enabled something like:

  Captured 13.2K/42.1K 'cycles' event samples


Thanks,
Namhyung

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-23  4:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-22  8:49 [PATCHSET 0/9] perf tools: Fixup for the --percentage change Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 1/9] perf report: Count number of entries and samples separately Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 14:51   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-23  4:52     ` Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 16:43   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 2/9] perf hists: Introduce hists__add_nr_events() Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 14:52   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-23  4:53     ` Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 3/9] perf tools: Account entry stats when it's added to the output tree Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 14:54   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-23  4:58     ` Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 17:10   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-23  5:14     ` Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 4/9] perf tools: Introduce hists__inc_dump_events() Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 16:53   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-23  5:58     ` Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 5/9] perf hists: Add missing update on nr_non_filtered_entries Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 6/9] perf ui/tui: Fix off-by-one in hist_browser__update_nr_entries() Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 7/9] perf ui/tui: Rename hist_browser__update_nr_entries() Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 8/9] perf top/tui: Update nr_entries properly after a filter is applied Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22  8:49 ` [PATCH 9/9] perf hists/tui: Count callchain rows separately Namhyung Kim
2014-04-22 17:39   ` Jiri Olsa
2014-04-22  9:55 ` [PATCHSET 0/9] perf tools: Fixup for the --percentage change Ingo Molnar
2014-04-23  4:49   ` Namhyung Kim [this message]
2014-04-23  6:09     ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-25  7:53       ` Namhyung Kim

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