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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Larry McVoy" <lm@bitmover.com>,
	"Pascal Schmidt" <der.eremit@email.de>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87llt9bvtc.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030831155012.GW24409@dualathlon.random> (Andrea Arcangeli's message of "Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:50:12 +0200")

Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> writes:

> yes, that's unfixable at Larry's end, and normaly it's unfixable for the
> ISP too.

The ISP can do several things to prioritize production traffic or drop
malicious traffic.  However, this isn't trivial and requires careful
planning, and it's unlikely that anyone who is able to would want to
do this for a T1 customer (typically, it requires "unusual"
configuration of vital production routers with the fat pipes).

>> iirc, Larry was worried about well behaved traffic still doing bad
>> things to his connection.

In this case, it's a bit easier for the ISP because the tweaking can
be done on edge routers (which typically die during DoS attacks as
well, so countermeasures cannot be applied there).  Especially with
low-bandwidth links, it shouldn't be too hard to find a smallish,
geeky ISP who is willing to try some fiddling on the edge router to
improve performance (at least that's true in Germany, don't know about
the U.S.).

However, why can't bkbits.net distributed around the world, at least
for read access?  This would eliminate the choking point once and for
all.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-31 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <q2SH.AA.3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <qfwI.15D.27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <qgCn.2y4.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-30 22:58     ` bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news) Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-30 23:07       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31  1:05         ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-31  1:39           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31  2:18             ` Jeff Sipek
2003-08-31  2:42               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31  2:56             ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 13:15               ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 14:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 15:31                   ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 15:43                     ` Jörn Engel
2003-08-31 15:50                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 17:06                         ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2003-08-31 21:21                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-02  7:06                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-05  8:10                             ` Florian Weimer
2003-09-05 15:35                               ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-05 15:50                                 ` Florian Weimer
2003-09-05 16:10                                 ` P
2003-09-05 16:43                                 ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-07 11:55                                   ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-07 18:41                                     ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-08  8:57                                       ` [COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC] " Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-02 21:52                           ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-05  8:16                             ` Florian Weimer
2003-08-31 15:44                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 16:22                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 16:33                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 16:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 17:06                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 21:18                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 22:49                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 22:52                                   ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 22:58                                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:02                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 23:07                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:22                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  0:12                                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01  0:19                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01  0:33                                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 11:43                                           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-01 16:13                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 16:24                                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 16:28                                               ` Alan Cox
2003-09-01 16:38                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 23:39                                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-09-01  0:09                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01  0:20                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 22:56                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:13                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  0:18                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01  0:25                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01  0:28                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  0:50                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01  1:10                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  1:33                                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-02  7:11                                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-02  7:01                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 16:23                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 16:36                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 15:38                   ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-02  6:55               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 13:47             ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-31 14:51               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-02  6:53           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31  6:30       ` Jörn Engel
     [not found] <qn1b.2Pr.29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <qoTh.5mt.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <rdje.1sH.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-02 17:49     ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-30  1:29 Larry McVoy
2003-08-30 15:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-30 16:10   ` Jörn Engel
2003-08-31 10:13   ` Toon van der Pas

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