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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk 06/18] printk: Protect [un]register_console() with a mutex
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 01:48:29 +0206	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mtajkqvu.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzMT27FVllY3u05k@alley>

On 2022-09-27, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> Hmm, the new mutex is really nasty. It has very strange semantic.
> It makes the locking even more complicated.

We are working to replace the BKL-console_lock with new separate clearly
defined mechanisms.

The new mutex provides full synchronization for list changes as well as
changes to items of that list. (Really console->flags is the only change
to items of the list.)

For some places in the code it is very clear that the console_lock can
be completely replaced (either with srcu or the new mutex). For other
places, it is not yet clear why the console_lock is being used and so
both console_lock and mutex are used.

> The ideal solution would be take console_lock() here.

We should be looking where we can remove console_lock, not identifying
new locations to add it.

> A good enough solution might be call this under the later added
> srcu_read_lock(&console_srcu) and use for_each_console_srcu().

@console_srcu does not allow safe reading of console->flags. It only
provides safe list iteration and reading of immutable fields. The new
mutex must be used for reading console->flags.

Note that for the NOBKL consoles (not part of this series), a new atomic
state variable is used so that console->flags is not needed. That means
for NOBKL consoles the new mutex is further reduced in scope to provide
only list synchronization.

> Or is this part of some strategy to remove console_sem later, please?

Yes! One of the main points of this final phase of the rework is to
remove console_sem usage (for NOBKL consoles). If a system is running
with only NOBKL consoles registered, ideally that system should never
call console_lock()/console_trylock(). Once all drivers have converted
over to the NOBKL interface, console_sem will serve no purpose for the
printk and console frameworks, so it can be removed.

John

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28 23:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-24  0:04 [PATCH printk 00/18] preparation for threaded/atomic printing John Ogness
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 01/18] printk: Make pr_flush() static John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:12   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 02/18] printk: Declare log_wait properly John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:22   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 03/18] printk: Remove write only variable nr_ext_console_drivers John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:25   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 04/18] printk: Remove bogus comment vs. boot consoles John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:26   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 05/18] printk: Mark __printk percpu data ready __ro_after_init John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:27   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 06/18] printk: Protect [un]register_console() with a mutex John Ogness
2022-09-24  9:31   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-27 15:16   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-28  9:46     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-28 23:42     ` John Ogness [this message]
2022-09-29 15:43       ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30  9:24         ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 14:16           ` John Ogness
2022-09-30 18:04             ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 20:26               ` John Ogness
2022-10-03 14:37                 ` Petr Mladek
2022-10-03 19:35                   ` John Ogness
2022-10-04  2:06                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-04  7:28                     ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 13:30         ` John Ogness
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 07/18] printk: Convert console list walks for readers to list lock John Ogness
2022-09-27 14:07   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 08/18] parisc: Put console abuse into one place John Ogness
2022-09-24  0:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-09-30  7:54   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 09/18] serial: kgdboc: Lock console list in probe function John Ogness
2022-09-28 23:32   ` Doug Anderson
2022-09-30  8:07   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 10/18] kgbd: Pretend that console list walk is safe John Ogness
2022-09-26  9:33   ` Aaron Tomlin
2022-09-28 23:32   ` Doug Anderson
2022-09-30  8:39     ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 13:44       ` John Ogness
2022-09-30 17:27         ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 11/18] printk: Convert console_drivers list to hlist John Ogness
2022-09-24 10:53   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24 17:20   ` Helge Deller
2022-09-25  0:43     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24 17:27   ` Helge Deller
2022-09-30 14:20   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 16:53     ` Helge Deller
2022-09-30 19:46       ` John Ogness
2022-09-30 22:41         ` Helge Deller
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 12/18] printk: Prepare for SCRU console list protection John Ogness
2022-09-24 10:58   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 13/18] printk: Move buffer size defines John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:01   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-07  9:11   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 14/18] printk: Document struct console John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:08   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-07 11:57   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 15/18] printk: Add struct cons_text_buf John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:09   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-07 15:15   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 16/18] printk: Use " John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:34   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-10 10:11   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 17/18] printk: Use an output descriptor struct for emit John Ogness
2022-10-10 15:40   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 18/18] printk: Handle dropped message smarter John Ogness
2022-09-26  4:19   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-26  7:54     ` John Ogness
2022-09-26  9:18       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-10 16:07       ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-26  9:22   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24  6:44 ` [PATCH printk 00/18] preparation for threaded/atomic printing Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-09-25 15:23   ` John Ogness
2022-09-24  9:47 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-29 16:33 ` Petr Mladek

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