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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Holzheu <holzheu@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	HATAYAMA Daisuke <d.hatayama@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jan Willeke <willeke@de.ibm.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] kdump/mmap: Fix mmap of /proc/vmcore for s390
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:44:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mwrkatgu.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130524152849.GF18218@redhat.com> (Vivek Goyal's message of "Fri, 24 May 2013 11:28:49 -0400")

Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 05:06:26PM +0200, Michael Holzheu wrote:
>> Hello Vivek,
>> 
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:36:44 -0400
>> Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>> 
>> > Sorry, I don't understand the problem. If we swapped low memory and
>> > crash reserved memory, that should have been taken care by prepared
>> > ELF headers so that we map the right pfns. In x86 we swap 640K of low
>> > memory with 640K of memory in reserved and we take care of this by
>> > preparing elf headers accordingly.
>> > 
>> > So why s390 can't do the same thing?
>> 
>> I am not sure if I understand this. Currently we create the ELF
>> header in a way that we have virtual=real. In the copy_oldmem_page() we
>> do the swap so that for the /proc/vmcore code it looks like contiguous
>> non-swapped memory.
>> 
>> One reason why I thought this was necessary was that /dev/oldmem
>> also uses the function and it should provide linear memory access like
>> it is on the live system with /dev/mem.
>> 
>> Is that implementation incorrect?
>
> [ CC Andrew. Keep him in loop for all kernel kdump patches as all kdump
>   patches are routed through him ].
>
> [ CC Eric Biederman ]
>
> Looking at the code, looks like /dev/oldmem is broken. It does not know
> anything about swap of any of the memory areas and it will simply
> return the contents of page frame asked. And this has been like this
> since the beginning.
>
> I have always questioned the utility of /dev/oldmem. Atleast I am not
> aware of any tool making use of it.
>
> If we want to fix it, then somebow all the swapped memory region info
> needs to be communicated to second kernel so that read_oldmem() can
> do the mapping correctly and we really don't have any mechanism for
> that. (I am assuming that in s390 you must have hardcoded the regions
> of memory which are always swapped).
>
> As /proc/vmcore is the most used and useful interface, I prefer that
> we swap memory and put that info in elf headers. For /dev/oldme, I
> don't mind if we leave it as it is. If somebody really cares, then
> I guess we need to write a new command line option which /dev/mem
> can parse and which tells it about swaps so that /dev/oldmem can
> map things correctly. (This is better than hardcoding things).
>
> Eric, do you have any thoughts on this.

I don't think anyone actually uses /dev/oldmem.  I would like to cite
the s390 confusion as proof but I don't think that quite works.

I think the solution is for someone to send a patch removing /dev/oldmem
as an unused piece of code.  That will also move us in the direction of
resolving HPAs concerns.

The function copy_oldmem_page also concerns me.  I don't have a clue why
we duplicate that function on every architecutre in a slightly different
form.  There should be enough abstractions in the kernel to make that
unnecessary.  I would be glad to see that function go, and remove the
possibility of confusion that happened on s390.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-24 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-24 13:08 [PATCH 0/2] kdump/mmap: Fix mmap of /proc/vmcore for s390 Michael Holzheu
2013-05-24 13:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] kdump/mmap: Introduce arch_oldmem_remap_pfn_range() Michael Holzheu
2013-05-24 13:08 ` [PATCH 2/2] s390/kdump/mmap: Implement arch_oldmem_remap_pfn_range() for s390 Michael Holzheu
2013-05-24 14:36 ` [PATCH 0/2] kdump/mmap: Fix mmap of /proc/vmcore " Vivek Goyal
2013-05-24 15:06   ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-24 15:28     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-24 16:46       ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-24 17:05         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-25 13:13           ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-24 22:44       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2013-05-25  0:33         ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-05-25  3:01           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-05-25  8:31             ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-05-25 12:52               ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-28 13:55                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-29 11:51                   ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-29 16:23                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-29 17:12                       ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-30 15:00                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-30 20:38                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-31 14:21                       ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-31 16:01                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-06-03 13:27                           ` Michael Holzheu
2013-06-03 15:59                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-06-03 16:48                               ` Michael Holzheu
2013-05-28 14:44                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-05-25 20:36               ` Eric W. Biederman

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